Bull Dozer

This is a shortened version that was shown at the bowl game. There was a longer version shown at BE home games last year.

blah its hard to demonstrate the tags

South Carolina + Penn State + Miami + NC State= 0-4

I understand, man.  Once the game passes we can talk about the results and let the "rivalry" issue die down for at least a year. By then we may have better news about future schedules that could render this discussion moot anyway. hope you know that can only happen if we win.

Good effort....But dont quit your day job.

Im hoping Smith is smart enough to have kept the down the field passing plays under wraps to this point. Hopefully within our first offensive series of the game there is a play action and deep ball on 1st down. We have the athletes to make big plays and Grothe has a almost 2 games under his belt its time to put the ball down the field.

Jim Rome show > anyone else on that station

;D (atleast i hope it was a joke)

Ron and Ian do a good job just dont mention USF. If you think tampa locals are bad you should listend to the sports radio in jacksonville bleh. Seriously the callers and the host are pure and utter garbage.

Perhaps you don't realize we have done nothing...the story was about "proposed schedules," who knows if it will ever come to pass in the form it was reported or in any other form.  yeah nothing is official but if those games did become official someone needs to go through that athletics building with an automatic weapon j/k

thats why its a good post. I think UCF should reamain as a OOC beginning of the year game (maybe 2nd game instead of 3rd). That way either it develops as a rivalry between the two or we continue to grow at a faster rate then they do and it becomes a OOC tune up.

Not really a news flash but it doesnt take alot to play QB here. since i first saw him on the field i always thought he would be better suited to being a WR (especially in the slot) than a QB.

ah got ya, darn internet we really need buttons for [sarcasm] [/sarcasm]

275 is a terrible bench for a linebacker who weighs 220lbs he will need to be redshirted to work on his strength.

dont be so glum that games a long time away for all we know both Pat White and Slaton could blow their knees out by then.

Really? So says: Florida St-Florida Florida St-Miami Florida-Georgia Clemson-South Carolina Alabama-Auburn Georgia-Georgia Tech Ole Miss-Mississippi St Colorado-Colorado St Washington-Washington St UCLA-USC Penn St-Pitt (sadly, basically dead now) Va Tech-Virginia LSU-Ole Miss Texas-Texas A&M Should I go on? Iowa-Iowa St Michigan-Michigan St Notre Dame-Purdue Harvard-Yale Oregon-Oregon St Louisville-Kentucky Oklahoma-Texas Oklahoma-Oklahome St Yeah...Geography has nothing to do with rivalries (yes, there are some NATIONAL Rivalries...but most are LOCAL/REGIONAL in nature) Well this just proves my point. UCF wants a football rivalry (which is stupid, you can't want a rivalry) based on geography. but the students and players not liking the opposing students/players can.....

Their defense hasnt been tested yet so i think its too early to tell

co-signed

And im glad we have along way to go before we play these guys

not taking long for this to get outta hand heh

I don't think it's that easy. You're saying if we beat UConn last year and then somehow upset WVU to get to the Sugar Bowl, we're in the Big 4 ...... I don't see it. To be included in the Big 4 one of the criteria has to be beating one of them. If we do that but in that same year lose to UCF, you lose that edge .... IMO.  I think if USF makes it to the Sugar Bowl last year, then USF would easily be a Top 25 pre-season this year... (after all WVU made it to the Sugar Bowl and was pre-season Top 5).  I don't know if USF beats Miami or Florida while going 3-8 would mean we are in the Big 4. The Big 3 are the Big 3 because they are perennial top 25 teams.  To get into the Big 4, USF needs to be a Top 25 team - individual wins and losses become less relevant. Yup the Big 3 is about consistant success not beating each other.

Passion for this particular game - ?? oh wait I forgot that isn't a valid part of a rivalry Uh oh, Jim would you like to point out how untrue this is? funny the only people i know that arent ready and excited for this game are people on this board. Maybe its because im a student but still there is passion in a large portion of our fanbase. Dont see whats so wrong about that but im waiting for the typical we're already ahead garbage i read here.

My point is this whole "were so far ahead of them" attitude on this board is puzzling. We truthfully arent that far ahead at all and after the OCS they will have something on us because they have a stadium thats actually theirs add that in with the media slobbing O'Leary and they will have things over us. I think this game is key in making sure we stay on the same level recruiting wise.

Usually, your rival team in HS is in the same confererence or cassification as you are, and you're competing for standings in conference. Let's say you went to a 5-A school in FLA, you're not going to have any real "rivalry" with the 4-A  (or 3-A or 6-A, whatver, you get the point) school down the road from you, no matter how close they might be, and how many players know each other, because you're not in the same division. Your confusing important game with rivalry.  If we used your definintion here then UF FSU isnt a rivalry.  A rivalry is a game that standings conference titles etc all go out the window, a rivalry is personal and goes deeper then standings rankings etc.  A rivalry is a game that can make your season even if its the only game you win.  I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who would consider FSU-UF a true rivalry before 1978, say, even though they've played each other since the 50's.  It wasn't until both teams began competing at the same level year-in and year-out that it became a rivalry of any importance, especially to FSU fans.  Up until that point, FSU was an afterthought, they were bottom feeders that UF didn't really care about, and FSU fans were envious of the success of their conterparts in G'ville, but the game wasn't huge to them either. So again, it's all about level of play. This is what I was getting at with the conference/division talk in my previous post. Up until '75-'76, I'd say UF-FSU was like a 6-A school playing a neigboring 3-A school and kicking their asses every year. Then over the course of the next several years, that 3-A school upped its enrollment and starting getting better players and coaches, and all of a sudden became a 6-A school on the same level as their opponent. At this point, UCF is still a step behind USF. Not as drastic as the UF-FSU analogy above, but similar. USF is in the big-leagues already--they've got BCS affiliation, and all they lack is some consistent play at bowl-worthy level. UCF still is trying to get to that level.  A rivalry with a *slightly* bigger in-state brother is key to them, while it's not just that big of a deal to USF.  why dont you go ask the players if its important or not.......And ok i used a bad example, ok how about USC Vs ND, UF Vs UGA.  Nitpicking my analogy doesnt prove anything, like i said it starts with the players and if you've read anything all from our players about this game they are amped and ready and treating it like a rivalry.  Dude, it doesn't matter what example you want to use, the same rule applies. USC-ND was a rivaly because both teams were giants competing year in and year out for national supremacy.  UF and UGA were rivals because they were the big boys of the SEC, both competing for that conference championship on a yearly basis. Think about it--why didn't UF form a rivalry with GA Tech? They're just as close in proximity to UF as is UGA. It all boils down to competing on a similar level for a BIG common goal. And if competing for notoriety in the state of FLA is the only common thing between UCF and USF, that's a pretty flimsy bond. Who gives a crap about the rivalry between Tennessee and Memphis, for instance, other than the players on either team that might have gone to HS together? No one. The fans don't. The nation doesn't. There's more to a rivalry than that, IMO. Teams of similar ability level- Check Competeing for a similar goal- Check And if you think both schools are just competeing for notiriety in the state your dead wrong.  This game effects recruiting and both teams images nationally.  Both are seen as up coming schools in this state and the nation by most people that know college football.  If a school can dominate this game it will show it is the up in coming school in this state which will get it more national coverage and better recruits.  Doesnt seem flimsy to me at all.  If USF can go out there and win convincingly maybe they get some of those lil feel good up and coming program stories that ESPN and other outlets gave UCF a lil while back.  Both of these programs will be successful in the future, theres too much talent in this state for them not to (unless the administration gives up on one of them) the one that can get to a high level first will have a huge advantage and what better way to stay ahead then to play them and win.  Yes winning is not inevitable but if we are as good and so far ahead as alot of people think why not make them a whipping boy to show they arent on our level so we can get more national attention and an edge in the in state recruiting wars? ÂÂ