Maybe not for football but I'd say the basketball team meets that criteria. And how big is that fanbase? We would fill the Sun Dome with a consistently winning program... we did from 1989-1992... #justsayin So how long does it take to get a diehard fanbase vs the current fair weather fans. 75 years, 100? We saw the students' section doing well last year --and then the team loses and the empty seats returned. There's no loyalty until we get in some major good years. A lot of the diehards we have now are from the Leavitt era. I'm sure both Holtz and CWT haven't brought on that many fans, if any! Last season it seemed there were a couple home games where the students showed up big time (enough for the commentators to mention it) and yet the rest of the stadium looked pathetically empty. As a recent former student, the students will show up if: 1. It is the beginning of the season and, as Freshman, they have an interest in checking out their new school's football game atmosphere. 2. Before people get tired of taking the Bull Runner to the games to watch a losing team. 3. We get through the first four games undefeated. 4. There are no other major events going on with Greek. 5. We are playing a good, big name opponent such as Auburn, West Virginia, FSU, Florida, Alabama, etc. Students will not show up if: 1. We are playing against a school like South Harmon Institute of Technology. 2. The team loses a momentum building game that just stabs you in the heart to lose and you no longer care about the team until they prove to be winners. 3. The team is embarrassed by a team we should beat easily or if we are simply blown out because we are overmatched. 4. There are free t-shirts (they'll only show to get their free t-shirt if they believe there is another reason to go all the way down to Ray Jay for the night). 5. It's a cool day. (And the team is worth watching) 6. It's a night game. (And the team is worth watching) 7. It's evident the team and coaching staff have given up. 8. Poor scheduling/ bad luck with holiday timing and students are not on campus/ busy with something else related to game time scheduling or holiday. This complete list is not limited to my responses for why students do or do not show up in masses. Feel free to add other reasons if you feel compelled. Wow I f'd up that quote. Anyways I agree with all your points, but you would think that at some point the students would understand that your only a student once. Getting in free and being a part of the student section should be something to embrace as part of being a student for four years. That used to be enough anyways. Grant it I got to rush the field while I was a student and you never knew how we were going to play back then so it added to the excitement. I think it's hard for students to realize that being able to say "I went to every game as a student" means something, especially when we have been so terrible. Does anyone care about fandom anymore? Loyalty? This is going to be your alma mater!