smazza Posted December 13, 2003 Group: Member Topic Count: 9,898 Content Count: 66,091 Reputation: 2,434 Days Won: 172 Joined: 01/01/2001 Share Posted December 13, 2003 for astrosthis guy has no credibilitylet's see if he is a head hunter in NL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velcro Posted December 13, 2003 Group: Member Topic Count: 999 Content Count: 19,229 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/14/2002 Share Posted December 13, 2003 LOL... finally, this is what we've all been waiting for... does he have the balls to throw at people's heads when they have the opportunity to get him back. can you picture him playing against the Mets and Piazza. that's gonna rock... thats better than Manny vs Clemens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smazza Posted December 13, 2003 Group: Member Topic Count: 9,898 Content Count: 66,091 Reputation: 2,434 Days Won: 172 Joined: 01/01/2001 Author Share Posted December 13, 2003 i say no balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velcro Posted December 13, 2003 Group: Member Topic Count: 999 Content Count: 19,229 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/14/2002 Share Posted December 13, 2003 agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberBull Posted December 16, 2003 Group: Member Topic Count: 433 Content Count: 2,657 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2000 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Good for Clemens. I'm not a real big Clemens fan b/c I will always consider him to be a RedSox, but I do respect his approach to the game.Yo can't blame Clemens for throwing inside. The pitcher should be forced to serve the ball down the middle of the plate. Clemens also is a personality something that baseball is sorely lacking.I also think that he should come back, especially in the National League. It would be nice for the fans in the Senior circuit to watch the last 300 game winner baseball is going to have for a long, long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velcro Posted December 16, 2003 Group: Member Topic Count: 999 Content Count: 19,229 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/14/2002 Share Posted December 16, 2003 I agree, pitchers should own the inside of the plate, but a few pitchers, including clemens, go a little too far. If someone hits a homerun off clemens, next time up, he's getting thrown at, and if clemens doesn't like him, then the target is above the shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smazza Posted December 16, 2003 Group: Member Topic Count: 9,898 Content Count: 66,091 Reputation: 2,434 Days Won: 172 Joined: 01/01/2001 Author Share Posted December 16, 2003 clemens and martinez throw inside like they do because there is no fear of retribution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberBull Posted December 17, 2003 Group: Member Topic Count: 433 Content Count: 2,657 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2000 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Pedro developed his reputation as a 'headhunter' while in the minor leagues for the Expos. He took his at bats like everyone else in the Senior circuit.Clemens did not back down when he pitched against the Mets in the World Series at Shea Stadium. So again, teams had their chances to get their licks against the Rocket.Pitchers like Marshial, Gibson, Dyrsdale etc did not have the benefit of the DH and made a living pitching inside. Furthermore they would knock down their own grandmothers if they thought they we being shown up.We wouldn't see Barry Bonds or Sammy sosa do thier little schitick in the 1960s. Like in hockey, if given the chance players will police themselves.Nothing worse than seeing a 134lb shortstop showboating after cranking out a 400ft home run. If I was pitching and a little runt like that tried to show me up, I would make him eat dirt during his next at bat.MLB needs to get rid of the DH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smazza Posted December 17, 2003 Group: Member Topic Count: 9,898 Content Count: 66,091 Reputation: 2,434 Days Won: 172 Joined: 01/01/2001 Author Share Posted December 17, 2003 see how many batters martinez hit in NL as opposed to aland get back too meDH sucksi agree about pitchers in 60's but batters typically didn't show up pitchers.more mutual respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarySJ Posted December 18, 2003 Group: Member Topic Count: 141 Content Count: 2,661 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2000 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Pitchers like Marshial, Gibson, Dyrsdale etc did not have the benefit of the DH and made a living pitching inside. Furthermore they would knock down their own grandmothers if they thought they we being shown up.We wouldn't see Barry Bonds or Sammy sosa do thier little schitick in the 1960s. Like in hockey, if given the chance players will police themselves.Nothing worse than seeing a 134lb shortstop showboating after cranking out a 400ft home run. If I was pitching and a little runt like that tried to show me up, I would make him eat dirt during his next at bat.MLB needs to get rid of the DH. The DH isn't the problem so much as the fact that pitchers simply can't pitch inside anymore.If Gibson/Drysdale/etc did any of the stuff today they did in the 60s, they'd be fined, ejected, suspended, and face constant mound-chargings from whiny, irate batters. And I'm just talking about pitching inside -- forget about something as horrid as throwing behind a guy who shows you up.That, along with the current enforcement of the strike zone, essentially MAKE pitchers throw the ball right over the plate like it's Little League. And everybody wonders why there are so many home runs hit. Hint: the ball's not juiced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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