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If you were the AD what would you do with Mac


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i believe that Mac has been recruiting one of the best juco players as well

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I'll ask again.  If we keep him, what do you do next year if the results are close to being the same?  It's a question that needs to be asked if you look at the big picture.  The answer is easy if he does turn it around, but what if he does not.  How long do you allow the program to continue to be in a state of disarray if he does not turn it around.

Assuming he's still here, if next year is not better than this year then I'd think DW would probably make a change. Next year will be the most talented team,  on paper, he will have had here.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I believe this same point was advanced a year ago.

As I recall, there were people calling for his head but the argument by many was that we should give him another year. This was followed by much enthusiasm by many pro-Mac types who exhuberantly proclaimed their optimism for next year.

How many times are we going to do this?

He had his years here, the team hasn't really improved greatly or at all. How many times will we just shrug our shoulders and hand the team over to a proven loser?

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how will a no-name coach fill more seats and bring in more donors?

USF is not a career building job. any decent up and coming coach can see that we don't have the money to support a winning program in the BE just yet (i.e. Grant).  We pay mid major salaries yet we expect them to compete against the best. Would you take a job that pays the same but you would be expected to compete against much better competition?

How will they compete with schools that have budgets multiple times ours? Would you expect them to hit the ground running as far as recruiting goes? In the end we would be in the same situation regardless of who you bring in.

The name may change but the situation remains the same. 16th highest paid coach in the BE + 16th largest budget in the BE + 16th best facilities in the BE = 16th place in the BE.

94, you make some good points but are you telling me there isnt a guy ot there who is up for the challenge?  Or would love to be given the opportunity to coach in the big east and maybe be successful and boosting his career?  Why cant we do what VCU did with Jeff Capel, why cant that happen with us?  Now he is at Oklahoma getting top recruits.  There are guys out there dying to get in and get their names known.  Thats why we need a guy that when you interview him you can tell he has charisma and swagger.  Ask Jim Leyland about swagger, guy coached and loved guys like Barry Bonds and now gettin Gary Sheffield because of swagger.  he claims it is the most underrated quality in sports and coaching (especially recruiting).  I agree 100% with him there.  

and i didnt say a no-name coach, we have one of those now, I said a well known ex player or a successful mid major coach.  believe me i want the big name hire, but i hear so much how we cant afford it.  So lets find the diamond in the rough.  

And trip you highlighted two of my sentences and say they are wrong, but yet they are right.  then you say they dont pertain to our situation.  it would pertain to any teams situation.  Is USF different than anyone else?  Recruits dont want to play for a coach they dont know will be there the next year.  how does that not pertain to our situation???? 

Sometimes you respond just to respond. Why?

PS 94, we arent 16th in the Big East (place-wise) I believe we are like 14, give us some credit  :)

Herman makes a good point about can we find a cracker jack coach, a young guy, lightning in a bottle that can hit the ground running?  Woolard's done it before with three quality hoops hires at SLU, on a similar budget.

With that being said it's also a risk.

Ari, finally someone admits the guy still has two years on his contract.  I am not advocating this but it wouldn't be unthinkable for Woolard to give him a two year extension, with a severely declining buyout, i.e. making it only slightly more expensive to buy him out next year should things not improve.  But he does have two years on his contract.

Brazen:  the same points were brought up a year ago, however those were made, and I was one of them, before Howard re-injured his knee, Curry tore his Achille's, and Aris Williams was rendered useless after the 7th game of the season not to mention Cann's knee took much longer than the doctors projected the knee would respond.  Give me a healthy Howard, Curry, and Williams to start the season this team easily wins 2-3 more games by now, and is probably sitting staring at MSG right now.

Moving into next season, providing he can sign 1-2 more big men (Ejike Hart would be a great start) that would give him a roster of Holmes, Howard, Gransberry, Verdejo, Nique Jones, Amu Saaka, Zaronn Cann, Dante Curry, Bozeman, and Aris Williams- before the late signees that's 10 guys we know that should be ready to play next season baring injury (ohh no I said it) that could be CRM's largest roster to work with in a season yet.  Also, for those critical of not building for the future 9 of those 10 will be available for the following season!!!  Additionally if he signs two more, which is what will happen from all indications he could have 12 players going into a season.  Can you believe it a CRM team entering a season with 12 players, but I fear I've said to much and jinxed the man a transfer, quit, resignation, or injury will occur it always seems to happen to CRM.

Some of the reason for these smaller rosters falls directly on his shoes, but injuries to Mosley, Curry, Cann, Williams, Howard twice, Marlyn Bryant, and Collin Dennis definitely effected teams the past few years.

What i am saying is with 12 players next season, all scholarship, and 8 being 1-A hoops battle tested, at least one being a JC transfer, and another with the team for a year (Curry)....well I suppose next season, there really can be no excuses.  But if it happens this year and we happen to find the money then so be it too.

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I'll ask again.  If we keep him, what do you do next year if the results are close to being the same?  It's a question that needs to be asked if you look at the big picture.  The answer is easy if he does turn it around, but what if he does not.  How long do you allow the program to continue to be in a state of disarray if he does not turn it around.

Assuming he's still here, if next year is not better than this year then I'd think DW would probably make a change. Next year will be the most talented team,  on paper, he will have had here.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I believe this same point was advanced a year ago.

Not sure which point exactly you're alluding to... If its the point that he had the most talented team on paper coming in, then that's a point that should be valid every year in a building process.

As I recall, there were people calling for his head but the argument by many was that we should give him another year. This was followed by much enthusiasm by many pro-Mac types who exhuberantly proclaimed their optimism for next year.

So optimism is a bad thing?

How many times are we going to do this?

That depends on DW.

He had his years here, the team hasn't really improved greatly or at all.

Improved greatly? No, but it has improved in two of the four years Mac's been here. Going to be DW's call to look ahead and see if thinks the team will improve next year with the players on hand and the current coach or do we go back to square one. That's why he gets paid the big bucks.

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NO..

he signed a 6 years contract....

So "you" knew this but "Herm" didn't ....   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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oh /me you're always right.

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I cannot believe that currently 35% of votes have been to keep Mac.  :-?

The only logical explanation...

The other 15 Big East coaches have been on this thread "stuffing the ballot box."

Makes perfect sense.

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I cannot believe that currently 35% of votes have been to keep Mac.  :-?

36.5%

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I cannot believe that currently 35% of votes have been to keep Mac.  :-?

36.5%

Yep......I guess Tom Crean found a way to vote twice.  

He must have two screen names.   >:(

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No recruit is going to play for a coach who is in the last year of his contract, with a poor track record, and no talks of a contract extension.

Mac isn't a good recruiter anyway, and with poor results what's the difference? The next coach is gonna get handed a certain quality of product either way. At the rate we're going, bringing in some JUCO kids isn't going to make a difference in the long run. Many coaches go this route in the first couple years of building a program.

how will a no-name coach fill more seats and bring in more donors?

By putting a winning product out on the floor. Jose Fernandez was a no-name coach when he got here, the difference in the men's and women's programs is huge. If McCullum was having similar success as Fernandez you would see big attendance and the donors would surely follow.

Comparing men's and women's basketball is completely ridiculous.

Where is the huge attendance jump for Jose? How about the big donors for him? If they were the same then why hasn't he attracted either?

Doesn't RMC have one of the top Florida recruits coming in next year? We all salavated over him when he chose FSU. Everybody said Mac needed to land him or else. Now that he is transfering in nobody gives him credit.

Not ridiculous at all, considering Jose didn't come from a "pedigreed" background in coaching. If a similar coach on the men's side had similar success, you would see a lot more fans and eventually, donors.

McCullum might have reeled in a couple of nice recruits, but overall recruiting has been weak. He could have done a better job recruiting for the Big East, imo. We are a couple years into it and still struggle with depth of talent.

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