Sagarin & others Conference rankings....

[TyBull]

Sagarin

CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS

1 PAC-10 (A) = 79.39 79.50 ( 1) 10

2 BIG TEN (A) = 77.52 77.68 ( 2) 11

3 SOUTHEASTERN (A) = 77.15 76.95 ( 3) 12

4 BIG 12 (A) = 76.07 76.49 ( 4) 12

5 ATLANTIC COAST (A) = 76.00 74.93 ( 6) 12

6 BIG EAST (A) = 74.46 75.22 ( 5) 8

7 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 73.91 74.08 ( 7) 3

8 MOUNTAIN WEST (A) = 70.43 69.87 ( 8) 9

9 CONFERENCE USA (A) = 65.75 66.25 ( 9) 12

10 WESTERN ATHLETIC (A) = 64.91 64.90 ( 10) 9

11 MID-AMERICAN (A) = 62.03 61.01 ( 11) 13

12 GREAT WEST (AA)= 61.75 60.74 ( 12) 5

13 ATLANTIC 10 (AA)= 58.73 59.11 ( 13) 12

14 GATEWAY (AA)= 58.33 57.26 ( 14) 8

15 SUN BELT (A) = 56.58 56.50 ( 15) 8

16 BIG SKY (AA)= 55.04 56.07 ( 16) 9

17 SOUTHERN (AA)= 51.73 53.12 ( 17) 8

18 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 49.49 49.71 ( 18) 8

19 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 48.27 48.18 ( 19) 7

20 PATRIOT LEAGUE (AA)= 45.75 45.32 ( 20) 7

21 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 44.06 44.73 ( 21) 9

22 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 42.89 42.00 ( 22) 5

23 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 39.80 39.83 ( 23) 9

24 SOUTHWESTERN (AA)= 37.28 37.60 ( 24) 10

25 NORTHEAST (AA)= 35.70 35.12 ( 25) 8

26 I-AA INDEPENDENTS (AA)= 30.71 31.40 ( 26) 4

27 PIONEER (AA)= 28.60 30.07 ( 27) 8

28 METRO ATLANTIC (AA)= 21.57 22.16 ( 28) 5

29 ***UNRATED*** (**)= -90.00 -90.00 ( 29) 1

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Here is another BCS Computer Conference Ratings, the first Anderson Sports Rating.

Pac-10 .648

Southeastern .640

Big East .593

Big Ten .573

Atlantic Coast .564

Big 12 .557

Conference USA .453

Mountain West .433

WAC .432

Mid-American .354

Sun Belt .335

http://www.andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html

Colley Matrix Rating, also part of the BCS.

Conference Rankings

1. BIG EAST 0.710354

2. BIG Ten 0.703135

3. SEC 0.694765

4. PAC Ten 0.654726

5. ACC 0.588165

6. BIG XII 0.540048

7. IND 0.509861

8. MWC 0.370425

9. WAC 0.366401

10. C-USA 0.349073

11. MAC 0.346341

12. SUN BELT 0.166705

http://www.colleyrankings.com/curconf.html

[TyBull]

Not to bad.....

Not to bad at all.....

[Joe]

The mere fact that the PAC 10 is number 1 in two polls and we're number 1 in another completely discredits those rankings.

I;m sorry but the SEC and Big 10 are clearly the best 2 conferences in the country right now.

[smazza]

it is a very complicated situation

[jfcohio]

Big Ten has the best two football teams in the country and very well may end up having #1 vs. #2 when Michigan comes to Columbus to play Ohio State.

[USFPDiddy]

The mere fact that the PAC 10 is number 1 in two polls and we're number 1 in another completely discredits those rankings.

I;m sorry but the SEC and Big 10 are clearly the best 2 conferences in the country right now.

Based entirely on the fact that conferences are strong because of the names of their schools I'm assuming.

You take a look at each conference's OOC results?  You can project that this win was better than that, but that doesn't mean its any less erroneous than just looking at the records.

BE aside, what do you want from the PAC-10?  A Chuck Norris endorsement?  The PAC-10 has been incredible in OOC play (other than cal @ tennessee), and has a good number of teams ranked for a 10 team conference.  They have precious few cellar teams, which also makes them better in the computer rankings.  After all, they dont get gimmes like mississippi state, vandy (this year, not last), and kentucky as much.

Try being objective.  Based on what you hear from some people, the SEC is the toughest conference every year, regardless of what happens on the field.  If the defense was really that strong and it wasnt just the offenses being weak, teams ooc that the SEC gives up big yards to wouldn't exist.  I'm not saying its not a good conference, it certainly is.  Let's stop picking just off perception, and start looking at objective criteria though.

[Joe]

The mere fact that the PAC 10 is number 1 in two polls and we're number 1 in another completely discredits those rankings.

I;m sorry but the SEC and Big 10 are clearly the best 2 conferences in the country right now.

Based entirely on the fact that conferences are strong because of the names of their schools I'm assuming.

You take a look at each conference's OOC results?  You can project that this win was better than that, but that doesn't mean its any less erroneous than just looking at the records.

BE aside, what do you want from the PAC-10?  A Chuck Norris endorsement?  The PAC-10 has been incredible in OOC play (other than cal @ tennessee), and has a good number of teams ranked for a 10 team conference.  They have precious few cellar teams, which also makes them better in the computer rankings.  After all, they dont get gimmes like mississippi state, vandy (this year, not last), and kentucky as much.

Try being objective.  Based on what you hear from some people, the SEC is the toughest conference every year, regardless of what happens on the field.  If the defense was really that strong and it wasnt just the offenses being weak, teams ooc that the SEC gives up big yards to wouldn't exist.  I'm not saying its not a good conference, it certainly is.  Let's stop picking just off perception, and start looking at objective criteria though.

I'm sorry, but I consider myself one of the most objective guys on this board, and have been crapped on for it several times. There are 10,000 reasons why the SEC and Big 10 are the two best conferences in the country.

Lets Start here:

Auburn 40 - Wazzou 13

LSU 45 - Arizona 3

Tennessee 35 - Cal 18

USC 50 - Arkansas 16

The PAC 10 was 1-3, against the SEC, however all three games were just total destructions of the other team (Cal tacked on a TD and 2 Pt conversion as time expired to make it look respectable)

Then I'll go to the projected BCS standings:

http://tellshowbcs.com/

There are FIVE SEC teams in the top 15 and TWO Big 10 Teams in the top 5...Both with very impressive OOC wins (ND and Texas)

I'm sorry, but no objective analyst will even TRY and argue that the remaining four BCS leagues are even close to the SEC and Big 10 this year. They're just that much better.