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[Guest S.  Bien]

Hey at least you spelled his name right this time....

BTW...hard to argue about  our Qbs and OC being bad....

Yeah, but I have a tough time overly punishing a QB when clearly, everyone admits universally now that the OC is bad.  How can a QB be good if the OC's scheme is wrong, and has trouble developing QB's.  It's no win.

I've seen to many instances where a bad QB was made good by a coach that came in and new what to do with the offense, play calling, system, and QB development.  If you want a good example then look at Brady Quinn- ND fans felt he was a walking fart last year.  Now he's a darkhorse heisman candidate, and if he finishes the year strong a leading candidate next year.

I am not eliminating the QB's responsibility, but there is only so much places raw talent can take you, especially at the BCS level, coaching and a good system must do the rest.

[CyberBull]

Yeah, but I have a tough time overly punishing a QB when clearly, everyone admits universally now that the OC is bad.  How can a QB be good if the OC's scheme is wrong, and has trouble developing QB's.  It's no win.

I've seen to many instances where a bad QB was made good by a coach that came in and new what to do with the offense, play calling, system, and QB development.  If you want a good example then look at Brady Quinn- ND fans felt he was a walking fart last year.  Now he's a darkhorse heisman candidate, and if he finishes the year strong a leading candidate next year.

I am not eliminating the QB's responsibility, but there is only so much places raw talent can take you, especially at the BCS level, coaching and a good system must do the rest.

Like I said last week, the whole offense is dysfunctional in a Trent Dilfer:Mike Shula sort of way.

[Guest S.  Bien]

I'd call it more the Bucs-Tony Dungy system.  Dilfer wasn't great, but he won, and won super bowls because HE FOUND TEAMS, AND COACHES, AND SYSTEMS, that functioned around his strengths.

In the Buc's- Dungy system we spend 8 year's waffling around with a sputtering offense, a great defense, always winning enough on defense to get people excited but never doing enough on offense to balance the team out and create a winner.  Dungy tinkered, fired, tinkered, re-assigned, but in the end his offensive understanding was limited, and the defense was all that performed.

Knowing how that turned out I wonder if a new coach would keep Kravitz running the D.

[Markeymark]

In the Buc's- Dungy system we spend 8 year's waffling around with a sputtering offense, a great defense, always winning enough on defense to get people excited but never doing enough on offense to balance the team out and create a winner.  Dungy tinkered, fired, tinkered, re-assigned, but in the end his offensive understanding was limited, and the defense was all that performed.

I hate to get off the original topic, but just a comment to add -

The Bucs organization hired a "real", experienced OC from elsewhere (forget his name) and he lasted one year. The reason he didn't stick is because Dungy was unwilling/unable to manage the game in such a way as to make full use of his OC's strategic capability. If the OC wants to take shots at the endzone, and the HC wants to kick a FG and turn the game back over to the Defense, there's not much the OC can do about it.

USF's problems I think are a little bit different, we don't have a quality OC capable of creating a good gameplan week-in and week-out. The question is, will Leavitt be able to bring in somebody who he can work with who is also good at running the Offensive team side of the ball.

[mulheap]

Is saying that QB play "sucked" a fact or opinion?  Please show me the NCAA  definition of "sucked". ;D

from the ncaa official site:

suck:  (verb)  to give a horrible showing, to miss wide open recievers, to make bad decisions.

Ex:  Pat Julmiste sucks at qb, especially on the road.

      In general, the USF offense sucks on the road.

      UF sucks.

I looked it up!  its there, check for yourselves.

[lotsofbull99]

PJ needs to be moved to TE

[smazza]

lob-why are you being so generous