Attendance is not that bad is not growth. Also, it wasn't that hard to find people wearing USF gear in the late aughts. The IPF was too little, too late. USF was mentioned WAY more in the media prior to the last 5 years. Aside from the massive POTENTIAL debt from an OCS, you haven't identified a single objective way that USF has grown. I don't need any more subjective thoughts on this subject. I wish I was as blissfully ignorant to the plight of our program as some of you are. I was once one of the more positive voices on this forum, but the Universe has won. I accept our fate as an also-ran. We will always have the first 9 weeks of 2007. What a magical time that was. *Sigh*