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And I think it’s past time we come together as a fanbase, embrace the decision athletics has made and stop trying to live in the past. We have to respect the decisions of the university and appreciate the vision the professionals are trying to implement and stop trying to second guess their decisions every year. I am of course talking about alternative uniforms, the soflos, the slimes, the blacks the grays they are all our colors because the university says so and getting butt hurt every time you see what your unprofessional eye thinks are not our colors isn’t going to help anything. I get that you may think this leads to brand confusion but would that really be the worst thing for the past decade?

The aac blows enough on its own, it doesn’t need their help

Maybe I am just jaded but it does not seem that bad to me, its not Oceana or Asia, from Tampa to Hawaii is like flying to Western Europe.

I never believed a complete lack of talent was our issue and replacing someone completely incompetent with anyone remotely competent should result in immediate results. Plus our conference took another immediate nose dive going into the season. In this preseason poll on here the most common answer for how we would do was 6-6 and almost half of people expected that or better. Only about 15% of people expected 3-9 or worse. Just because CJS said you have to fail for half a decade while you do made up intangible things to culture and VPMFailure supported it never made it true. The best way to turn around a culture of failing is to start winning and in the aac that should take exactly one game.

I mean does being right not indicate it was reasonable and not Kool aid inspired? If anyone looked at this schedule and thought 6-6 was impossibly lofty I would argue they have drunk far too much of the everything is impossible here and everything takes forever Kool Aid the athletics failures perpetually peddle. It’s not true, it’s never been true and hopefully this puts it to bed forever. We would all be better served by honesty and expectations.

Because of the date? I’d probably be more willing to blow off my plans to go somewhere that isn’t awful, I hear Hawaii is a nice Christmas location.

Then it’s definitely a pass, if anyone suggests fail I’ll go way harder

Agreed, making the other members the most money is the only thing of consideration in realignment and a stadium doesn’t make them an additional penny. Had so much not been made of the shabbiness of UCF’s stadium no one would be pretending it was a necessary and important component of their selection. Most teams have an OCS, for no other reason than they had no other option as such most teams called up are in fact going to have an OCS but the P5 is littered with teams that don’t. It’s a non factor.

I am not arguing your grade shouldn’t “B” whatever you reason out especially with your 3-9 expectations, I am asking to appreciate that if someone went into the season thinking 6-6 was a reasonable expectation that meeting that and nothing else isn’t an a and isn’t a b it’s a c because that’s what you get when you meet expectations.

They are grading on the other extenuating circumstances that we had no business being the worst, we were coached by the worst coach, that our conference difficulty plummeted this season and most importantly that they went into this season with the expectation that 6-6 was a reasonable result. It may not match your criteria but it certainly isn’t unreasonable.

Dude what does this have to do with anything? Several positive posters gave us a c, if your expectation was 1-2 wins I can see this being an a but if they expected 6-6 (which they stated) and we hit 6-6 how in the heck would that be an a in any grading scale? What if we won 8 games (which was completely possible) what grade were they required to give then?

I’m not taking umbrage with anyone’s grade or their criteria, I’m taking umbrage with the idea that an a is the only acceptable grade. If someone had us going 6-6 (perfectly reasonable) it shouldn’t be unreasonable that they would give a c for meeting expectations (thats the definition of a c level performance to most).

But no reasonable person on earth would be shocked by this anywhere, at least not one that has been graded for anything ever or even heard how grades work in passing.

Yes but you can’t be shocked if some people think meeting expectations gets you a C. Many people thought we could go bowling and go 6-6, how would you expect that they would give an A for looking ugly doing it and the aac being worse than even imagined?

I will if I’m available, most of the ones we are mentioned for I have prior commitments and sadly Pittsburgh has zero bowl games.

It was probably closer to Stadium good. Mike build stadium. Yay!! Uh-oh bills bad. Mike need money, give Mike more money, yay!!!!

And all those seasons were f-, a c acknowledges improvement without being ridiculous about what actually happened this year and who it happened against.

I’m pretty sure that’s not how grading works, otherwise CJS was an a student. Many people thought 6 wins were possible and we met that expectation. Many people have an expectation of failure in life, meeting it doesn’t somehow mean they did above average anymore that hitting average is somehow miraculously a perfect “a”. This was a c year and given the competition that’s a one time grace, losing to any of these teams gets people fired at most places that are serious about athletics.

Can they at least provide the elevator pitch on how they are doing this or is everything supposed to be glossed over by the word stadium?

I do not know a single person that has defected based on anything remotely close to stadium concerns, it’s a nonissue that has been highlighted for no other reason than the people in charge don’t have a plan for how to accomplish anything of consequence. Added bonus for doing it at the most inopportune cost time to add to the rest of the reasons this is a silly idea from silly people. We need actual leadership that has actual winning ideas.

I was in the camp 15 years ago but ideas do not exist in a vacuum and this idea makes zero sense at this time. If we had invested in undercutting the competition’s revenue share we would be in. Any idea is better than no idea but this one has been used as a crutch to punt the problem years down the road at which point no one responsible now will have to answer for how this didn’t help at all and the stadium is hemorrhaging money and sits mostly vacant.

(It’s more of a rallying cry to stress the importance of getting out than anything else, also as noted above it’s actually not a feasible solution when having to pay the unnecessary stadium costs (which absolutely will not be cash positive in the aac)).

What negative do imagine happening as an independent that isn’t already presented in the aac? Obscurity? Apathy? Lack of funds? Those things are already present. The concept was simple. The aac is the worst place to be in the college football world and is single handedly destroying the program. We need to make a change to inject interest in the program and show people things have changed. Our administration is incompetent and cannot get into the P5 despite having a tremendous lead to begin with. If we stay in the aac VPMK will keep sitting on committees to bring in subpar schools that he will then let lap us as we continue to become weaker. Since we didn’t have debt service and money against bad teams costs us money. Play more 2:1 games with better opponents people would want to pay to see, sell players on playing better teams, raise your brand awareness and build back better. In the game of conference roulette if you are staying still you are going backwards, we can’t keep going backwards.

In Temple Terrace we will have an concessions company that takes at least half of the food profit, we will have less people and a huge debt service, attendance will only be decent for year one against this competition and the stadium will be in constant need of improvement. The only way it will appear to ever be in the black will be with ridiculous gl entries with ins and outs with the university and the booster shell company that gets to be a black hole of accounting. The only money in owning a stadium is in having someone else pay for it.

Yes when you have a product no one wants to buy you need to sell something else. The best and most obvious ways is to sell a new conference and more success but that doesn’t have to be the only way. Sell them something they will buy and make the game a part of what they are actually interested in. It’s 6 games a year it’s possible to fill that with other enticements. A younger person is more willing to take risks. UCF is in because White is bold, VPMK is too blah to ever make a splash and appear uncouth.