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Then it’s definitely a pass, if anyone suggests fail I’ll go way harder

Agreed, making the other members the most money is the only thing of consideration in realignment and a stadium doesn’t make them an additional penny. Had so much not been made of the shabbiness of UCF’s stadium no one would be pretending it was a necessary and important component of their selection. Most teams have an OCS, for no other reason than they had no other option as such most teams called up are in fact going to have an OCS but the P5 is littered with teams that don’t. It’s a non factor.

I am not arguing your grade shouldn’t “B” whatever you reason out especially with your 3-9 expectations, I am asking to appreciate that if someone went into the season thinking 6-6 was a reasonable expectation that meeting that and nothing else isn’t an a and isn’t a b it’s a c because that’s what you get when you meet expectations.

They are grading on the other extenuating circumstances that we had no business being the worst, we were coached by the worst coach, that our conference difficulty plummeted this season and most importantly that they went into this season with the expectation that 6-6 was a reasonable result. It may not match your criteria but it certainly isn’t unreasonable.

Dude what does this have to do with anything? Several positive posters gave us a c, if your expectation was 1-2 wins I can see this being an a but if they expected 6-6 (which they stated) and we hit 6-6 how in the heck would that be an a in any grading scale? What if we won 8 games (which was completely possible) what grade were they required to give then?

I’m not taking umbrage with anyone’s grade or their criteria, I’m taking umbrage with the idea that an a is the only acceptable grade. If someone had us going 6-6 (perfectly reasonable) it shouldn’t be unreasonable that they would give a c for meeting expectations (thats the definition of a c level performance to most).

But no reasonable person on earth would be shocked by this anywhere, at least not one that has been graded for anything ever or even heard how grades work in passing.

Yes but you can’t be shocked if some people think meeting expectations gets you a C. Many people thought we could go bowling and go 6-6, how would you expect that they would give an A for looking ugly doing it and the aac being worse than even imagined?

I will if I’m available, most of the ones we are mentioned for I have prior commitments and sadly Pittsburgh has zero bowl games.

It was probably closer to Stadium good. Mike build stadium. Yay!! Uh-oh bills bad. Mike need money, give Mike more money, yay!!!!

And all those seasons were f-, a c acknowledges improvement without being ridiculous about what actually happened this year and who it happened against.

I’m pretty sure that’s not how grading works, otherwise CJS was an a student. Many people thought 6 wins were possible and we met that expectation. Many people have an expectation of failure in life, meeting it doesn’t somehow mean they did above average anymore that hitting average is somehow miraculously a perfect “a”. This was a c year and given the competition that’s a one time grace, losing to any of these teams gets people fired at most places that are serious about athletics.

Can they at least provide the elevator pitch on how they are doing this or is everything supposed to be glossed over by the word stadium?

I do not know a single person that has defected based on anything remotely close to stadium concerns, it’s a nonissue that has been highlighted for no other reason than the people in charge don’t have a plan for how to accomplish anything of consequence. Added bonus for doing it at the most inopportune cost time to add to the rest of the reasons this is a silly idea from silly people. We need actual leadership that has actual winning ideas.

I was in the camp 15 years ago but ideas do not exist in a vacuum and this idea makes zero sense at this time. If we had invested in undercutting the competition’s revenue share we would be in. Any idea is better than no idea but this one has been used as a crutch to punt the problem years down the road at which point no one responsible now will have to answer for how this didn’t help at all and the stadium is hemorrhaging money and sits mostly vacant.

(It’s more of a rallying cry to stress the importance of getting out than anything else, also as noted above it’s actually not a feasible solution when having to pay the unnecessary stadium costs (which absolutely will not be cash positive in the aac)).

What negative do imagine happening as an independent that isn’t already presented in the aac? Obscurity? Apathy? Lack of funds? Those things are already present. The concept was simple. The aac is the worst place to be in the college football world and is single handedly destroying the program. We need to make a change to inject interest in the program and show people things have changed. Our administration is incompetent and cannot get into the P5 despite having a tremendous lead to begin with. If we stay in the aac VPMK will keep sitting on committees to bring in subpar schools that he will then let lap us as we continue to become weaker. Since we didn’t have debt service and money against bad teams costs us money. Play more 2:1 games with better opponents people would want to pay to see, sell players on playing better teams, raise your brand awareness and build back better. In the game of conference roulette if you are staying still you are going backwards, we can’t keep going backwards.

In Temple Terrace we will have an concessions company that takes at least half of the food profit, we will have less people and a huge debt service, attendance will only be decent for year one against this competition and the stadium will be in constant need of improvement. The only way it will appear to ever be in the black will be with ridiculous gl entries with ins and outs with the university and the booster shell company that gets to be a black hole of accounting. The only money in owning a stadium is in having someone else pay for it.

Yes when you have a product no one wants to buy you need to sell something else. The best and most obvious ways is to sell a new conference and more success but that doesn’t have to be the only way. Sell them something they will buy and make the game a part of what they are actually interested in. It’s 6 games a year it’s possible to fill that with other enticements. A younger person is more willing to take risks. UCF is in because White is bold, VPMK is too blah to ever make a splash and appear uncouth.

You really should look at trying to be more positive…

I agree that’s the ultimate issue that needs solving but people don’t want to hear that it was entirely in our control to have solved that already and want to believe that it takes made up checkmarks that no one official has ever indicated exist. Offer a smaller distribution at every opportunity of expansion and constantly undercut everyone and this would have been solved forever ago. Expansion is about making conference members more money solve for that and you are in, OCS’ don’t make them a single extra penny.

So your counter is to point out a failed ticketing system? That sounds like something rather concrete that can be easily solved if anyone cared to solve it. I’ve seen no evidence that anyone would have OCS in the top of their issues with attending and the attendance at the sundome seems to indicate that’s not the issue. The OCS solves absolutely no problems for anyone and only makes happy the people that have demonstrated that there is nothing that will cause them to leave no matter what happens. Solve the problems of the people not attending and this isn’t on the path to that.

But at least they aren’t plateauing at 8-9 wins a year…

We will do a simple one There were not enough students at the game It is possible to get students to a game even today having not moved the stadium Students historically report a lack of awareness about the games, this should probably be an easy fix with gorilla marketing (make an oculus app that has them at the game in an exciting environment and demo that to them with a chance to win the oculus). The next step is to ask them what would get them to a game and inside (not the people that actually make it to the game and inside because these people are outliers) and respond to that. Lots of students have made it to tailgates but not graced the doors of Ray Jay, have a pregame, halftime or post game concert. Students want to keep drinking but can’t afford it, subsidize their beers with college night discounts. Get rid of the running of the bulls and have students walk them out with some form of interactive component I’m not a kid at USF so I’m not exactly sure what they are looking for but ask the market, try new things and create exposures and brand awareness. IT’S NOT HYPOTHETICAL WHEN YOU CAN VISUALLY SEE THE RESULTS. If we were getting the results we wouldn’t be having these conversations but since what they are trying isn’t working and we don’t visually see anything new or different taking place is a problem.