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Awesome. They have been huge for us all year. Genord and Villar are a dynamic duo in the heart of that order. Isn’t this our third sweep of these weekly awards?

So my points are false? And those few innings affect 2 of his 4 conference games, is 50% the standard of excellence we set for our ace. If my stance was based on my twisting of the numbers, then again I’ll ask, twist the other way and prove me wrong. Not saying SM has been awful just the PS has been better and there’s data to back that.

We just have different definitions of very well. Good day sir

It was their first game so yeah, its possible. I also I said if you want to say that SM was great minus one inning, then you have to be able to say that PS has been lights out all year minus that one inning, and because it was his first inning of the season you could say it was rust. But by all means include UNC. PS still has a better ERA.

its to show you should probably evaluate yourself based on your performance against peers (conference members), not those from lower competition.

How? What are the numbers that prove me wrong, I keep hearing how the I twist the numbers well someone twist them the other way. I only ask that you look at conference play and not the lesser talent that we play, beating those teams doesn't help us.

Houston only drawing just over 1100 to their game is kinda shocking. Anyone know if they had weather issues?

Turns out, USF's spring game may have answered the Bulls' most pressing question after all. One might even suggest Saturday's proceedings left no room for doubt. An on-campus stadium probably wouldn't nudge the needle in terms of attendance. And you thought we were talking about the quarterbacks. Nope, just the ones who choose — or don't choose — to come watch them. full article Does the lack of spring game attendance mean that an OCS would not help attendance?

Ill just yield and be the minority on this one. Sm does have the higher ceiling moving forward (past this season) but I think we are gonna look back say the PS was the better Bull.

So if our football team scores 50 on San Jose State, and then 14 against say... Temple. Would be more accurate to say our offense had a bad day or that maybe we weren't as good as thought we were and that maybe the San Jose State game didn't show as much as we previously thought?

I have yet to see the numbers disprove my point, that PS has been better in conference games.

i'm not picking and choosing, its just Conference vs non conference. Games that matter vs games that don't.

lol, glad to entertain. It has been a fun discussion.

Sorry, but subtracting lesser teams from his numbers isn't selective. Its just pointing out that when the competition is on par with our program, he hasn't been very good at keeping runs off the board. Rotations aren't set in stone, they get flipped based on performance all the time. If he cant mentally handle being flipped from Friday to Saturday, then i'm not sure I would trust him pitching in a regional final.

Who has been collectively better against UNC, Tulane, Houston, ECU, and UConn? That's what my whole argument stems on. What have they done against teams that we should be compared to? not the lesser teams that we fill our schedule with.

Yes, but I subtract those games from PS numbers too. The bottom line PS has been better against P5 opponents not names army.

no, no bias in numbers and data

Does that included CMU, Colombia, Army, and Fordham? if so, those number skewed and out of context. Thats not the level of competition we should comparing ourselves too. None of those teams will make a regional barring a tournament miracle. He's not the better pitcher because of the weaknesses that you highlighted This is true, but I would rather walk away knowing we had a chance to win it instead of wondering why we showed up.

please lets look at full body of work ,PS has a better ERA, WHIP, more innings pitched, less walks, and more wins over the full course of the season. Again all SM has over PS is Strikeouts. And if you wanna talk about what one inning will do. look at PS numbers if you take the his first inning against UNC? If you do that, PS hasn't given up more than three earned runs in a game this season and that's just subtracting his first inning of the season which could be nerves, not a random inning that you give up after cruising through lesser teams.

Sorry not selective, this statement seemed pretty cut and dry. I never said that. i am simply implying that he is the second best pitcher on this roster. in this situation, you are in the game till the end. i'll take that over being out of the game by the third all day.

How is this a foregone conclusion? what if he doesn't give up six runs in the first three innings, you think maybe that game plays out differently?

Please tell me the difference in the score if a guy gives up six runs in one inning or six runs in six? You can't just say hes a great pitcher except for that one inning. Also, he gave up 6 in the second inning against Uconn Against Houston he gave up 4 in the seventh against ECU he gave up 4 in the second and 2 in the third. So which single inning account for ten of his ER'? To me they look pretty spread out like what? the strike out numbers? He has only eclipsed the 10 k mark once in conference play. He only has 11 strikeouts to 10 walks in his last two games. He is just trending down at the moment.

You are mixing up my arguments. What I don't care about is that all of his ER came in one or two bad innings. The real issue is that 17 of them have been spread out over three of his four conference starts. They all count the same whether they all came in a bad inning or not. What you claim I am ignoring is the gaudy numbers he put up against lesser talent. You are only looking at his Strikeout numbers in a vacuum. Breaking down his strikeout numbers would show that he has only has 28 K's in conference compared to PS 24. So our big time strikeout guy that can only go 6 because of his strikeout ability only has one more strikeout out per game in conference than our supposed #2. I am looking at what has happened against the better teams and whether or not the model of winning we have been using is sustainable. In conference play we have two starters Starter A. has 29.1 Innings pitched,a 1.54 ERA, and 1.03 WHIP Starter B. has 19.2 Innings pitched, a 8.43 ERA, and 1.77 WHIP, that's not a vacuum, that's four games worth of data that shows pitcher A is better at keeping batters off base, and more importantly, the ones that get on are more likely to stay there. kinda except that there is a sustainable model of winning to running the ball. I have never seen a successful baseball team who's ace is limited to less than 7 innings. But the beauty of this sport is that both ways have just as much chance of failing as the other depending on how all nine guys play on that given night. I would just want to put my best pitcher out there for game one and I wont buy into SM being the best pitcher for us so far just because of his strikeout ability, there's just so much more to being a pitcher. If they are both lights out then it doesn't matter. I just think at some point we are going to get bitten by not be able to win game 1 and maybe a shake up on the bump would do the trick. It might not work, but you can't be scared to make adjustments in this sport.

I don't care if its one inning or six right now in conference play, hes allowing 4.5 runs per game. He gave up 6 in two of the games and 5 in the other, and I just looking at ER, not Runs in total, some experts would say that pitchers need to feel responsible for all runs because its their job to get out of the inning. But in any case he has had at least one bad inning in each of those games. and that's 3 of the last four. We may lose every game that our team isn't hitting well, i would rather have the pitcher on the mound that is better at keeping runs off the board in those games. Not ignoring it, just pointing out that the last four weeks have been against better teams the then previous four. i'm glad he did great against Columbia, Central Michigan, and Fordham but that doesn't do much for us. Even UNC came in the first game so you could make the argument that they were still knocking rust off and that's his lone Quality start against a quality opponent. it's not ok that he pitched well except for one inning, that inning still counts, those runs dont count any less because it was his one bad inning for the game. We will need them both to be good, i'm just tired of needing to win every Saturday. Losing on Friday and taxing our pen to nine plus outs just gets old and isn't sustainable.