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    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    Oh, and don't count out completely the big schools in Texas and Oklahoma. It might wait until the GOR expires, but if they voted in GOR they can vote them out. If Texas and Oklahoma decide they want in the Pac12 they'd be taking little brothers with them. All they need to do is find a desireable home for a couple of other schools and they vote to disband or vote to revoke GOR.

    Theres no way they get GOR voted out. It would strictly benefit Texas (Texas Tech) and Oklahoma (Okl State). Thats likely at most 4 votes. There is no reason for any of the others to vote for that (especially since most of them might be left on the outside looking in). Unless we start talking Mega-Mega conferences going to 20-24 teams, then I don't see that happening.

    Maybe after GOR like you said, but I would almost wager my car on the fact that they won't get the GOR reduced or repealed.

    Is it a majority vote or a super majority vote?

    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    We are only a few years from having the "current bowl" system thrown out the door also. Look at the deal of the New Sugar Bowl (Champions Bowl) where SEC/BIG12 own the bowl. They get the $80 mil for that not, the network ESPN playing the schools a few million here and there. Ultimately the bowl games revenues to the Big 4 will hit $15-20 mil for each school.

    I think the biggest wall college football may run into is that they are ultimately going to lose a lot of fans. All the fans of the schools that are about to get completely ostracized are either going to grow more and more disinterested in the sport or change who they root for. I for one will never root for UF, FSU, or Miami. I definitely wont go to any of their road games or bowl match ups.

    Ratings overall may spike for a few years, but as the fans on the outside grow more aware that they went from having a small chance to do something to having no chance I think they popularity may dwindle.

    I agree. Always disliked all 3.

    It isn't necessarily USF/UCF/FAU/FIU fans becoming UF/FSU/UM fans. It's future 'fans' who are growing up currently. Sure, they may go to USF in 5-10 years, but they'll be fans of those other schools.

    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    Big 12 goes to 14, with FSU, Miami, CU and NC St (assuming GT is gone), maybe 16 sooner than later with BYU and Boise St. (but only 14 now for this)

    Leaves -

    Boston College

    Pitt

    Syracuse

    Wake Forest

    Duke

    Louisville

    Add -

    UConn

    CIncy

    Navy

    USF

    Need 2 - 4 more to get to 12 or 14

    Other possible adds

    UCF

    Houston

    Memphis

    Temple

    SMU

    Why would the Big 12 go to 14 though? If they had their own network I would understand, but NC State (regional appeal at best) and a sanctioned Miami (with dwindling national appeal) isn't going to push the needle that much on a Tier 1, Tier 2 deal. Taking FSU and Clemson is good enough to definitively knock the ACC well below the Big 12, and good enough to get the championship game and renegotiate their contract with two "national" teams added. Just my two cents though.

    Why is Clemson national and NC State regional? I would say they're both regional.

    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    Also, the Big 10 loves AAU schools. Is there a benefit to that? Or is that just another preference? We lost Pitt and gained Tulane. I would presume this isn't factoring in at all since we picked Houston over Rice.

    Academics has nothing to do with who the Big East is adding. I think they are looking at Market size, fan base, and potential to grow (massive undergrad enrollment See UCF and Houston).

    Oh, I know that. I guess I was asking does the Big East see that as a benefit?

    Interesting article about the New Big East

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    But here's that list retyped: Philadelphia (4), Dallas (5), Washington D.C. (8), Houston (10), Tampa Bay (13), Orlando (19), San Diego (28), Hartford (30), Cincinnati (34), Memphis (48), New Orleans (52), Greenville (99), Boise (112).

    The numbers in the parentheses represent that city's place in Nielsen's list of the country's largest television markets. Boise and East Carolina do not extend to major metropolitan areas, but do provide the conference a presence in two additional regions.

    Wouldn't Navy also bring in the Baltimore TV market? Or is that one in the same as Washington, DC?

    Same, they cover both markets. I love Annapolis, it is an amazing place.

    Is that like saying Tampa-St Petersburg? Or do they have seperate cable providers? I ask because if 1 school can bring 2 distinct markets, that is a windfall for the Big East.

    Interesting article about the New Big East

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    But here's that list retyped: Philadelphia (4), Dallas (5), Washington D.C. (8), Houston (10), Tampa Bay (13), Orlando (19), San Diego (28), Hartford (30), Cincinnati (34), Memphis (48), New Orleans (52), Greenville (99), Boise (112).

    The numbers in the parentheses represent that city's place in Nielsen's list of the country's largest television markets. Boise and East Carolina do not extend to major metropolitan areas, but do provide the conference a presence in two additional regions.

    Wouldn't Navy also bring in the Baltimore TV market? Or is that one in the same as Washington, DC?

    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    I totally agree Martin. Guys, I get the feeling we are going to get the rug pulled out from us no matter what we do or where we go.

    I read a post on the NCAAbbs board - sorry, but I don't remember which one, but I agree with that poster's sentiments when he said, "as soon as the 'valuable' teams are out of the ACC, the powers that be will figure out a way to rewrite the rules yet again and further consolidate power amongst the four conferences.". Once the big boys are gone from the ACC, do you think anyone will give a **** about them?

    It's the carrot on the end of the stick. At this point in the game, I don't think were ever going to sniff a BCS game. Look at all of the angst against Kent State possibly playing in the Orange Bowl. In a few years, that could be us and no matter what we do on the field against the competition we play, it will never be good enough.

    Let's face it, the Florida teams the B12 really wants are FSU and Miami. After reading endless articles and opinions, it seems what everything is waiting on is Maryland's exit fee from the ACC. Once Maryland has set the bar, no where close to $50m I believe, everyone will run to the door. Then once the 'prestige' programs are gone, then we would get the call up to the ACC. Big deal.

    I can see it now, ESPN and the others will constantly trash and belittle the ACC much the way they are now the NBE with the additions of Tulane and ECU. They will sniff and look down their noses at us yet again.

    I said this before and I still think the best course of action is for the NBE, CUSA and MW to break off and do it's own thing and get ready for the long haul. I know some of you hate the idea, thinking it's tantamount to admitting defeat, but I think it's time to be realistic.

    If the moves being made really are towards 4 super-conferences of 16, where do we fit in? SEC and B12 will have FL covered with UF, FSU and Miami. Pac12 is out for us geographically and B10 is out of the question. No one has ever mentioned FSU or Miami going to the B10 and UF certainly isn't leaving the SEC.

    Get ready guys, this is where we are and this is where we are going to be.

    If these super conferences expand their in-conference games and start playing the "lesser" left out competition in the little conferences, I can imagine this having massive atheltic budget implications for I-AA schools who depend on those pay day games. Not to mention the left out teams that have higher operational budgets for stadiums and the like who will feel a crunch.

    It won't matter Econ_Nerd. It's all about selling games and not sharing the pie. Once the conferences go to 16 (if they go), there won't be a need for 1-AA games. It will be about ratings and having two 'brands' play one another. A 1-AA team is not a 'brand'.

    Furthermore, I think it will get to the point that scheduling a 1-AA team will be poison to your SOS and therefore, no one will dare play a 'lesser' school.

    I think this is about ESPN and Fox having something akin to the NFL where 'every game matters' and every game can be hyped.

    I agree. But, what I am saying is that those athletic teams that before relied on those pay day games for their funding will suffer.

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