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    Boise State shakiness rumors persist

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    EcoNerd. The only problem with what you suggested is I really don't expect Cincy and UConn to be staying here long term. I still think they could both end up in the ACC. Cincy can hold it's own in football and decent basketball and Uconn will be back in basketball and football they can be the next Duke. And they already have been sucking up, so it's probably going to pay off eventually. If they bail, you still liking those road games with them being replaced with Ark State and La Tech?

    I don't know if there are any 2 road games that I would "like."

    Boise State shakiness rumors persist

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    I think it goes without saying that we all want a seat at the big boys table, but if it comes down to hitting the restart button, I'm fine with picking the best 7 schools within the region and calling it a day. Make the best of a crappy situation.

    I agree. Setting all hope for a "big boy" seat aside, a conference made up the following 10 schools could be quite fun over time:

    USF

    UCF

    FAU

    FIU

    USA

    UAB

    Georgia State

    Tulane

    La Tech

    La Monroe

    Games could be picked up by Sunshine Network of FoxFlorida, or a similar regional entity.

    Call it the Gulf Coast Conference

    I wouldn't want us in the same conference as FAU and FIU; the toothpaste is already out of the bottle for UCF. FAU and FIU don't add any value (going along the same thinking of the super 5 conferences).

    I would have:

    CINCINNATI

    CONNECTICUT

    SOUTH FLORIDA

    UCF

    SOUTH. METHODIST

    HOUSTON

    EAST CAROLINA

    NAVY

    TEMPLE

    Choice of:

    LOUISIANA TECH (Greatly improved over the past 4 years)

    ARKANSAS ST. (Greatly improved over the past 4 years)

    2013 Schedule

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    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8736148/big-east-unveils-first-2-division-football-schedule

    The Big East released its home-and-away football schedules for next season on Tuesday, and most notably, the league has departing members Rutgers and Louisville taking trips to Boise State.

    The 2013 season will be the first featuring a 12-team Big East format and two divisions, with new members Boise State, San Diego State, UCF, SMU, Houston and Memphis joining. But it is another lame duck year for the conference because Rutgers and Louisville have announced intentions to join other leagues -- Rutgers will move to the Big Ten and Louisville to the ACC.

    Their departure dates are up in the air, pending a resolution with the league. Rutgers already has filed a lawsuit against the Big East to get out of the required 27-month waiting period.

    Among the other notable highlights of next season's conference schedule:

    • Cincinnati and SMU take trips to both sides of the country for games against San Diego State and South Florida. USF and UCF do not have to take a trip out West, as neither plays at Boise State or San Diego State.

    • Boise State gets Houston, Louisville, Memphis and Rutgers at home, but must travel to Cincinnati, San Diego State, SMU and Temple. That gives the Broncos two trips into the Eastern Time Zone.

    • As for Louisville -- expected to be the preseason favorite yet again -- the Cardinals get UCF, Memphis and San Diego State at home. Rutgers must play at Boise State and Louisville, while Memphis is the only other school that must play those two teams on the road.

    The home/away breakdown of the Big East schedule:

    East Division

    UCF

    Home: UConn, Houston, Rutgers, USF. Away: Cincinnati, Louisville, SMU, Temple

    Cincinnati

    Home: Boise State, UCF, UConn, Louisville. Away: Memphis, Rutgers, San Diego State, USF

    UConn

    Home: Louisville, Rutgers, San Diego State, USF. Away: UCF, Cincinnati, SMU, Temple

    Louisville

    Home: UCF, Memphis, Rutgers, San Diego State. Away: Boise State, Cincinnati, UConn, USF

    Rutgers

    Home: Cincinnati, Houston, USF, Temple. Away: Boise State, UCF, UConn, Louisville

    USF

    Home: Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, SMU. Away: UCF, UConn, Houston, Rutgers

    West Division

    Boise State

    Home: Houston, Louisville, Memphis, Rutgers. Away: Cincinnati, San Diego State, SMU, Temple

    Houston

    Home: Memphis, San Diego State, SMU USF. Away: Boise State, UCF, Rutgers, Temple

    Memphis

    Home: Cincinnati, San Diego State, SMU, Temple. Away: Boise State, Houston, Louisville, USF

    San Diego State

    Home: Boise State, Cincinnati, SMU, Temple. Away: UConn, Houston, Louisville, Memphis

    SMU

    Home: Boise State, UCF, UConn, Temple. Away: Houston, Memphis, San Diego State, USF

    Temple

    Home: Boise State, UCF, UConn, Houston. Away: Memphis, Rutgers, San Diego State, SMU

    This could be the end of the Big East

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    Posted · Edited by Economics_Nerd82

    http://espn.go.com/m...lege-basketball

    Big East Catholic schools wake up?

    Finally, the Big East -- the true essence of the league, not the ramshackle Ellis Island it has currently become -- is doing something.

    After years of having their fate decided for them, the seven Catholic basketball-playing schools gathered with commissioner Mike Aresco in New York on Sunday to discuss their options, according to published reports confirmed and detailed by ESPN's Andy Katz and Brett McMurphy.

    No decisions, votes or decisive actions were taken, but at least the seven universities -- DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall and Villanova -- that represent Dave Gavitt's original hoops-oriented vision are working to determine their future instead of having it dictated to them.

    There's no doubt the options aren't great. The Catholic schools could band together, perhaps dissolve the league and forge out on their own, partnering maybe down the road with other like-minded, basketball-first institutions in the hopes of luring TV revenue.

    That sounds a lot better than it likely will be, at least fiscally. If current reports are true that a new deal might net $60 to $80 million, that's an average payout to the non-FBS football schools of between $1.1 to 1.4 million a year. The Atlantic 10's television deal split with ESPN, NBC and CBS nets each school about $350,000.

    That's a severe cut, and for financially strapped schools that lack FBS football revenue, every penny counts.

    So it would be a calculated risk to bank -- literally and figuratively -- that the name-brand recognition of the likes of Georgetown, St. John's and Villanova will move the needle. Even if they partner with or gobble up (your point of view will determine the verb of choice) schools such as Xavier, Dayton, Saint Louis, Butler or Creighton, is it still enough to convince television bigwigs to pay top dollar for its post-football programming?

    Hard to calculate.

    But here's the twist in all of that: As the Big East continues to bastardize its product, adding schools that offer FBS football teams, if not competitive ones, and basketball programs, if not traditional or successful ones, those schools are only hurting their name brands anyway.

    At some point, as Georgetown has to make its way with wins against Central Florida and Tulane instead of Syracuse and Louisville, there's a danger that the university's appeal is annually devalued. There's a reason the idea of adding Tulane as a full conference member, along with several of its C-USA compatriots, sent shivers down the Catholic schools' collective spines.

    They recognize that, as mom always said, you are the company that you keep.

    This no longer is about preserving Gavitt's vision. As much as that sweet notion tugs at the heartstrings, it's irrelevant. His once-realized dream of a basketball powerhouse conference is simply not relevant in today's climate. Football rules the roost and everyone else is along for the ride.

    This is about survival. The Big Six conferences are practically putting the graffiti on the wall. If Jim Delany and some of his rival commissioners have their way, some day we will be down to four superconferences and no need for the NCAA. Anarchy will rule, Armageddon will exist and Cinderella will have to figure out how to get back to the dance.

    Before all of that happens, the Big East core has to do something. In a fight-or-flight college landscape, the seven Catholic schools too long have been running around like Chicken Little turned ostrich -- simultaneously panicking that the sky is falling but sticking their heads in the sand, hoping it will all go away.

    It's not going away. It's going to get worse and the schools have to gather up whatever few chips they have left and go all-in.

    They are the recognizable part of the Big East brand and that name still has some meaning in certain pockets of the world. It may even have some monetary value. But not if the Catholic schools sit idly by and allow their worth to be hitched to the wagons of Conference USA schools masquerading under a Big East marquee.

    There are no guarantees here. This is like playing Powerball -- you might go in together and split millions or you might go in together and wind up with nothing but a worthless ticket.

    But it's time that the Big East core stops acting as though it's just some little addendum to the league and lucky to still be invited into the secret club it actually formed.

    It's time to stop swallowing the company line it has been fed -- that it can't survive without the Power of the Pigskin -- without exploring whether that is really true.

    College athletics right now is like the Wild West, without rules or even civility. And yet the Big East Catholic schools have been acting like, well, Catholic schoolchildren -- polite to a fault, abiding by the rules, afraid of the teacher.

    It's high time they remove the white gloves from their manicured hands and get into this dirty business.

    Instead of listening to and accepting what everyone else says is in their best interest, the Big East -- the real Big East -- needs to figure that out for itself.

    This could be the end of the Big East

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    Old Big East RPI:

    21 Louisville

    26 Cincinnati

    32 Rutgers

    50 Syracuse

    63 Pittsburgh

    85 Temple

    86 Connecticut

    96 South Florida

    New Big East (RPI with BYU included):

    17 Boise St.

    26 Cincinnati

    30 San Diego St.

    48 UCF

    51 Navy

    55 BYU

    58 East Carolina

    77 South. Methodist

    85 Temple

    86 Connecticut

    93 Houston

    96 South Florida

    105 Memphis

    131 Tulane

    Average RPI drops 19%. Median goes from 56.5 to 67.5.

    This could be the end of the Big East

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    Posted · Edited by Economics_Nerd82

    Old Big East RPI

    2 Syracuse

    8 Louisville

    15 Georgetown

    18 Cincinnati

    25 Notre Dame

    27 Marquette

    34 Connecticut

    36 Pittsburgh

    63 Seton Hall

    83 South Florida

    97 St. John's

    102 Providence

    133 Rutgers

    142 Villanova

    156 DePaul

    New Big East RPI

    15 Georgetown

    18 Cincinnati

    27 Marquette

    31 Temple

    34 Connecticut

    37 Memphis

    63 Seton Hall

    69 UCF

    83 South Florida

    97 St. John's

    102 Providence

    112 SMU

    142 Villanova

    144 Houston

    156 DePaul

    175 Tulane

    The average RPI drops 24% (using current RPI numbers). I'm not sure how significant that is in the grand scheme of things, but, it doesn't help for sure.

    The median RPI rank drops from 36 to 83.

    This could be the end of the Big East

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    Posted · Edited by Economics_Nerd82

    http://espn.go.com/c...ols-sources-say

    Big East fate vexes Catholic schools

    The seven Big East Catholic, non-FBS schools met with Big East commissioner Mike Aresco on Sunday to express their concerns for the direction of the conference, multiple Big East sources confirmed to ESPN.com on Monday.

    Sources said the New York meeting was the first among the seven schools (Marquette, DePaul, St. John's, Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall and Villanova) and ultimately could lead to them splitting from the Big East's football members.

    Sources said the seven schools discussed a number of options but most importantly wanted to have "lots of dialogue to better understand the best course of action for the future." Another source said no decision was made on what future action to take.

    "It's too early to say on that," said a source.

    At issue is whether the Big East basketball-only schools have the power to dissolve the league, and retain all the assets and brand name. A source with knowledge of the situation said that until July 1, the seven have the majority votes and the necessary three-fourths to have controlling power. There are only three remaining football members -- Connecticut, Cincinnati and South Florida.

    But a number of sources couldn't confirm whether Temple, which is a football-only member this season, has a controlling vote. One Big East source said Temple has a vote on football issues but wasn't sure whether the Owls could use that vote for membership. If the Owls could, Temple likely would be the fourth vote preventing any dissolving of the league.

    The seven schools are concerned about the additions of full members Memphis, Temple, Tulane, Central Florida, SMU and Houston, and football-only member East Carolina over the next two years to replace departing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Rutgers and Notre Dame.

    "The basketball schools are not thrilled with Tulane and what they will do to the league's RPI," said a league source from a football-playing member. "They were not all that excited with that addition."

    The source added that "the basketball schools would have fallen off the ledge if we would have added East Carolina as a full member and what that would have done to the basketball league."

    At Sunday's meeting, which was earlier reported by Ajerseyguy.com, the seven basketball-only schools wanted to secure the best possible television deal. Aresco was there to soothe any concerns about the prospects of a new deal.

    Last week, CBSSports.com reported the Big East's media rights deal is expected to bring between $60 million and $80 million, which would actually provide the basketball schools less revenue than the current deal. Based on those figures, the basketball schools would earn only $1.06 million (based on the $60 million estimate) or $1.41 million (based on the $80 million estimate). They currently annually receive $1.5 million from the league's media rights deal.

    The problem for the Catholic seven would be that if they were to venture off without taking the assets and brand name, they would forfeit all the NCAA tournament revenue from the conference and would be left without any start-up to form a new conference. Then, of course, the seven schools would have to attempt to lure Atlantic-10 members Xavier, Dayton, Saint Louis, Butler and possibly Creighton, the latter out of the Missouri Valley, to form a city league that would stretch from St. Louis to Chicago to Milwaukee to Indianapolis to Cincinnati to Dayton to Providence to New York-New Jersey to Philadelphia to Washington, D.C.

    Of course, the A-10 could try to poach the departing schools before it would suffer a grab by this possible new conglomerate.

    Sources said the schools are banking on luring more lucrative television dollars with these media markets rather than continuing to see the league watered down.

    A basketball split, which has been rumored for years, would send shockwaves throughout the rest of the potential Big East members, especially football-only members such as Boise State and San Diego State, which are scheduled to leave the Mountain West for an expected, but now uncertain, bigger media rights payday in the Big East. Boise State and San Diego State will have to put their non-football sports in the Big West.

    Syracuse and Pitt are leaving the Big East for the ACC in 2013. Notre Dame is attempting to get out of the conference early as well but might have to wait until 2014. Louisville is expected to join the ACC in 2014 and Rutgers to join the Big Ten in 2014.

    Cincinnati and Connecticut publicly attempted to get into the ACC but Louisville was chosen over those two schools last month.

    "The league was not happy the way Cincinnati and UConn reacted to the news they were not selected by the ACC," a Big East source said.

    The seven Catholic schools have sat idle the past year, assuming the defections wouldn't crush the league, but that was before the most recent departures of Louisville and Rutgers.

    "I still think it will take a lot for them to split away," a league source said.

    Meanwhile, a source with knowledge of the Big East's deal with Madison Square Garden told ESPN.com that MSG is "covered" and can get out of the contract if the league continues to change its membership.

    This could be the end of the Big East

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    So, how would this be a bad thing, 'cause I'm just not seeing it?

    TV dollars. We don't have big TV dollars now. If we get stuck going back to C-USA or Sun Belt we'd go from $5-10mil per year to about $1-2mil per year. Independent would be worse. Try paying even Willie Taggart and anything resembling a decent staff on that.

    Just speculation but I very much doubt we'd ever officially go back to C-USA or Sun Belt. We're far more likely to keep the Big East name in a reformulated/restructured conference consisting of full membership or football only schools, including some or all of our recent additions..

    I'm not sure this is true. If western schools return to MWC, the BE is dead without basketball schools.

    What do you mean by "dead"? If you're suggesting that the remaining schools couldn't retain the Big East name and continue with a "coalition of the willing," I don't consider that "dead." I only consider the Big East "dead" if the remaining schools have no other choice but to remain independent or join a smaller conference. But so long as you've got eight members, you've got a conference, right? Why would any of the following schools HAVE to go back to a smaller conference, instead of just continuing an association with each other? (I'm honestly asking the question - there may be an answer that I just don't know):

    Connecticut

    Cincinnati

    Temple

    South Florida

    Central Florida

    SMU

    Houston

    Memphis

    Tulane

    ECU

    Thinking out loud: You have to think, at some point, these eastern defections (even basketball only schools) would encourage dropping the western weight and focusing on a core of eastern schools. If San Diego doesn't add enough to the overall pot, maybe dropping them makes up for the per school loss in basketball TV money.

    Taggart named USF coach?

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    screw USF. Im just in here to screw with you morons who think USF will ever get to the level of Florida or Florida State. It will NEVER happen. Just keep spending money hiring and firing your coaches. Hell, USF has to travel 10 miles to play their home football games. Thats the mark of a real football school.

    Shocking that you're here to screw with us.... Just shocking.

    Taggart named USF coach?

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    USF just didnt want to pay the real money it would take to get Butch Davis, or Jim Tressel here.

    Tressel??? Do some research if you want to be taken seriously.

    Willie is an excellent hire. Many very important people are all seeing eye to eye on this. Every local high school coach... local ESPN analyst Corey Long... HomeTeam writers... even Dickie V!! All great support to have.

    Speaking of which:

    Dickie V

    A great choice by USF -WILLIE TAGGART has the complete package - can coach - can recruit - can motivate -can communicate with media etc

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