Economics_Nerd82

I totally agree Martin. Guys, I get the feeling we are going to get the rug pulled out from us no matter what we do or where we go.

I read a post on the NCAAbbs board - sorry, but I don't remember which one, but I agree with that poster's sentiments when he said, "as soon as the 'valuable' teams are out of the ACC, the powers that be will figure out a way to rewrite the rules yet again and further consolidate power amongst the four conferences.". Once the big boys are gone from the ACC, do you think anyone will give a **** about them?

It's the carrot on the end of the stick. At this point in the game, I don't think were ever going to sniff a BCS game. Look at all of the angst against Kent State possibly playing in the Orange Bowl. In a few years, that could be us and no matter what we do on the field against the competition we play, it will never be good enough.

Let's face it, the Florida teams the B12 really wants are FSU and Miami. After reading endless articles and opinions, it seems what everything is waiting on is Maryland's exit fee from the ACC. Once Maryland has set the bar, no where close to $50m I believe, everyone will run to the door. Then once the 'prestige' programs are gone, then we would get the call up to the ACC. Big deal.

I can see it now, ESPN and the others will constantly trash and belittle the ACC much the way they are now the NBE with the additions of Tulane and ECU. They will sniff and look down their noses at us yet again.

I said this before and I still think the best course of action is for the NBE, CUSA and MW to break off and do it's own thing and get ready for the long haul. I know some of you hate the idea, thinking it's tantamount to admitting defeat, but I think it's time to be realistic.

If the moves being made really are towards 4 super-conferences of 16, where do we fit in? SEC and B12 will have FL covered with UF, FSU and Miami. Pac12 is out for us geographically and B10 is out of the question. No one has ever mentioned FSU or Miami going to the B10 and UF certainly isn't leaving the SEC.

Get ready guys, this is where we are and this is where we are going to be.

If these super conferences expand their in-conference games and start playing the "lesser" left out competition in the little conferences, I can imagine this having massive atheltic budget implications for I-AA schools who depend on those pay day games. Not to mention the left out teams that have higher operational budgets for stadiums and the like who will feel a crunch.

I totally agree Martin. Guys, I get the feeling we are going to get the rug pulled out from us no matter what we do or where we go.

I read a post on the NCAAbbs board - sorry, but I don't remember which one, but I agree with that poster's sentiments when he said, "as soon as the 'valuable' teams are out of the ACC, the powers that be will figure out a way to rewrite the rules yet again and further consolidate power amongst the four conferences.". Once the big boys are gone from the ACC, do you think anyone will give a **** about them?

It's the carrot on the end of the stick. At this point in the game, I don't think were ever going to sniff a BCS game. Look at all of the angst against Kent State possibly playing in the Orange Bowl. In a few years, that could be us and no matter what we do on the field against the competition we play, it will never be good enough.

Let's face it, the Florida teams the B12 really wants are FSU and Miami. After reading endless articles and opinions, it seems what everything is waiting on is Maryland's exit fee from the ACC. Once Maryland has set the bar, no where close to $50m I believe, everyone will run to the door. Then once the 'prestige' programs are gone, then we would get the call up to the ACC. Big deal.

I can see it now, ESPN and the others will constantly trash and belittle the ACC much the way they are now the NBE with the additions of Tulane and ECU. They will sniff and look down their noses at us yet again.

I said this before and I still think the best course of action is for the NBE, CUSA and MW to break off and do it's own thing and get ready for the long haul. I know some of you hate the idea, thinking it's tantamount to admitting defeat, but I think it's time to be realistic.

If the moves being made really are towards 4 super-conferences of 16, where do we fit in? SEC and B12 will have FL covered with UF, FSU and Miami. Pac12 is out for us geographically and B10 is out of the question. No one has ever mentioned FSU or Miami going to the B10 and UF certainly isn't leaving the SEC.

Get ready guys, this is where we are and this is where we are going to be.

I can't disagree.

If our conference and financial future were more certain, I would say this had a slight chance of happening... but, otherwise I don't see it.

ECU i can understand, although it will always be perceived football-wise as the adopted stepchild to UNC, NCSU and Wake (Duke sucks) in a state that has never been big on football, but i dont understand Tulane. why not Troy?

You're kidding, right?

I can understand Tulane long before either ECU or Troy. It's about the number of cable subscribers in a viewing area, and strong-arming them for a slice of the basic cable package, or the sports package. It doesn't really matter how many WATCH - it's all based on how many SUBSCRIBE.

Why weren't Tulane, Temple, SMU, Navy, and/or Houston already gobbled up instead of Louisville, Syracuse, and Pitt?

nobody gives a $h!t about soccer in the United States, when are these people going to get that?

And while I agree RayJ's 67k is presently too much for us, 28k is way too small.

But, people care about college football right? So, why are they meeting to discuss a soccer stadium and not a football stadium?

How much money (TV, NIT, Big Dance, etc) is there with basketball per school?

Assuming Pitt/Cuse/ND/RU/UL don't get to vote:

There are seven current BBall schools (PC/SJU/SHU/Nova/GTown/Marq/DeP)

There are four current FBall school (USF/UC/UConn/Temp).

If you need 2/3 to do anything drastic, the BBall schools can only get to 64%. If Temple doesn't get a full vote, the BBall schools can get to 70%.

That sounds about right to me. What benefit do the remaining basketball schools have to maintain the Big East? I suppose the money is still decent enough vs. the A10 or the Colonial.

So where does this put the 'Disband the Big East' vote?

With the latest cUSA pickups, I've stopped paying attention to how we can sustain a decent FBall conference now. Either we move on (with a conf similar to BE from past 7 years) or we essentially start over with garbage. There is no happy way to spin the NBE regardless of who comes or goes. As for a game-changer, I'm referring specifically to realignment scenarios.

I can't disagree with this. I suppose the only "good" thing is we'll be king of the lesser conference and I'm not sure that is something to brag about.

You're like the 1 Spartan who left the battle, and an inevitable death, to return to Sparta and we are saying our farewells. Oh well, off to battle we go....

Is the ACC trying to start an actually conference network or just broadcast rights?

It would have been really interesting if a 16 team conference did this. A championship game between the top 2 teams in the division instead of the top teams in each division. That would probably be messy when it came to TV deals, because it wouldn't be certain 2 big draw teams would play each other.

So, who is voting for these schools to come into the conference? Did only the 5 remaining football schools vote on ECU?

I think everyone who is leaving is voting yes. "yes team from _______, you may join our prestigious conference. (we will be the eff out of here long before you come aboard. Except the basketball schools we're effing over now. Oh and USF will be here too.)"

Is Rutgers, Pitt, and Syracuse allowed to vote on such matters?

So, who is voting for these schools to come into the conference? Did only the 5 remaining football schools vote on ECU?

ECU rhymes with gay

Not cool, no hate speech here.

Take it easy dude... It's a reference to something many years ago. I'm mocking someone who held that sign up at an ECU game.

ECU rhymes with gay

So does Virginia and Virginia Tech want to be in the same Big 5 conference or do they not care if they are in the same conference? Is this the same with the Carolina schools?

the current bcs schools are basing their decisions on money which is exactly what I said. the decisions to leave have nothing to do with long standing rivalries or conferences. they have nothing to do with geographical fit or culture. they don't have the fans or student athletes best interest in mind. they certainly have nothing to do with academics.they are based solely on money. the feds need to step in and strip athletic departments of their tax free non-profit status. they should force the state taxpayer funded universities to spin off athletic departments and then charge them a licensing fee.turn them into a legit minor league for profit . make them pay their players.

Well, I'm glad you agree with me that not-for-profit instutions have for-profit motives.

san diego state joined the big est based solely on money. think how ridiculous that is for a second. a california program in the big east.

The primary reason is money. That does not mean there aren't other reasons.

I'm guessing rutgers and maryland would have joined the mountain west if it meant more money for them too.

Nope, I disagree.

BTW MF did teach at U of C which was my original claim.

I'm curious, what did he teach at U of C? Did it have anything to do with human decision making when faced with certain costs and benefits?

1) it's not all about money. Yes, money is very important but to say it is the only factor in the decision making is wrong.

2) Just because a school is "non-profit" does not mean the people making the decisions think in a "non-profit" manner.

rutgers and maryland athletic departments are in shambles. rutgers runs a $25M a year deficit. maryland dropped I believe 7 sports. the big ten will expand their footprint by 14.6M households. that will mean a possible addition of .50-.75 c per household to their network. it's all about money.i

2) they are non-profit. their mission is to educate the public. it is not to pursue profit. the ivy's saw this a long time ago. it's why they don't have big time college football anymore. Oh by the way your hero i believe taught at university of chicago. they dropped football altogether for this very same reason.

The universities we are talking about haven't dropped football. Including where "my hero" studied as an undergraduate.

yes they dropped big time college football. they dominated the sport early on. and university of chicago dropped it completely in 1939. dropped out of big ten. restarted a club team back in 60's. now they are division 3. they knew their stated mission was not to run semi-pro football factories.

I was referring to current BCS schools. They have not dropped big time college football. So, are they or are they not making decisions based upon profit? Also, not that it matters, Milton Friedman studied at Rutgers for his undergraduate degree.

Here is my point, some times the goal of an organization is not always the same goal as the decision makers. Case in point is college football. The universities are meant to be not-for-profit, but clearly most of the athletic decisions are not based upon that.

Rutgers and Maryland jumped ship with money being a major factor in their decision. But, I don't think they would have jumped to the WAC or the mountain west conference for the same amount of money. Yeah, they would have had the money, but they would have lost a lot more. Schools want more money but they also want to be in a stable conference that will exist in the next couple of years.

1) it's not all about money. Yes, money is very important but to say it is the only factor in the decision making is wrong.

2) Just because a school is "non-profit" does not mean the people making the decisions think in a "non-profit" manner.

rutgers and maryland athletic departments are in shambles. rutgers runs a $25M a year deficit. maryland dropped I believe 7 sports. the big ten will expand their footprint by 14.6M households. that will mean a possible addition of .50-.75 c per household to their network. it's all about money.i

2) they are non-profit. their mission is to educate the public. it is not to pursue profit. the ivy's saw this a long time ago. it's why they don't have big time college football anymore. Oh by the way your hero i believe taught at university of chicago. they dropped football altogether for this very same reason.

The universities we are talking about haven't dropped football. Including where "my hero" studied as an undergraduate.

1) it's not all about money. Yes, money is very important but to say it is the only factor in the decision making is wrong.

2) Just because a school is "non-profit" does not mean the people making the decisions think in a "non-profit" manner.

For those schools that "make the jump," their fans and alums will be very happy. 1) they'll be in a conference that is alive and stable 2) the school/team will be relevant (read as: in a big time conference and not in the basement) and 3) I think there will be really great games in the future both within conferences and in the playoffs.

The question becomes: would you rather be a power house in a non-power 5 conference or a bottom-dweller in a power 5 conference? But, the drop in money, conference prestige, televised games, and relevancy from one to the other is massive. I think that is why you see schools so willing to cancel traditional games, leave traditional conferences, and abandon geographic areas. Money is money, and yes they are chasing that too. But, it is no longer a difference between sitting at the adult table or the kiddie table... it's whetther you are even invited to dinner in the first place.

What would a Big East/ACC merger look like? The Big East West, I would presume, would be completely dumped. Would this ACC/Big East be an entirely new conference with a new name or would you think they would just continue with Big East or ACC?

Complete speculation.