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Have you not seen MK and CJS’ 30 year turnaround plan? Everyone knows that to properly rebuild something you have to first tear it down, then ask for more money and support, then burn it to the ground, then ask for more money and support, then dig the biggest hole possible, then ask for more money and support, then drop a nuclear bomb on it, then ask for more money and support and then one nothing is left things are in the perfect place to finally meet the expectations of the no one that is left to have them. Anyone that expects anything more than absolutely nothing clearly knows nothing about how things operate as you can’t expect to get any ROI from a coach until he graduates at least 25 classes. If there isn’t reason to be hopeful about all the good that isn’t materializing into anything I don’t know what could possibly persuade people.

Hahhahaha well technically it’s not quite my birthday but close enough and that would be the worst birthday present ever (I honestly can’t believe that they make those).

Best birthday present ever

I mean he is the one that brought up the past 10 years and how being .500 isn’t good enough which is a pretty hot take when you are going to go .100 and you will be lucky to get to .500 in a half of a decade you are comparing yourself to.

Did we move?

CJS pointed to a .500 record over a decade as being mediocre, when he is gone he will be lucky to have a .500 record. The only time we have ever been an above .500 team was under CJL’s reign and that was while always punching up. I just don’t think complaining about .500 is a good look for someone that’s going to take at best 5 years to even match that level.

Well it’s true, just look at CWT’s time here and how people look on it longingly even though it never even got to the mediocre point. CJS is digging a hole for himself that his body of work is never going to be able to cash the checks that his mouth is writing. In order to ever pass the mediocre mark he is going to have to have quite the undefeated run leading up to his departure and if plans on following the three years of losing plan people are prescribing for him he never will pass it (it’s math).

I hope he realizes that in order to compete with mediocre he is going to have to go undefeated next season

Thanks Uconn

And in platforms!!

I kind of meant that I would prefer every other Tampa team lost every game and left town but alas the only Tampa team I care about is the one trying to follow that path.

If anything other Tampa sports teams winning is more reason to be upset

You are only as good as your source material

Gotcha and that he has never actually done it himself should mean we should ignore his actual accomplishments and pretend that in the world of make believe he actually #finishesstrong and rebuilds teams? The facts remain that he is a sub .500 coach that has never won a bowl game and has never had sustained success anywhere but sure just because it’s never happened certainly means if he made different decisions the entire trajectory of what he has displayed over a decade would have shifted. He obviously gave up on recruiting because he knew he was leaving which also obviously was part of the way he handed CCS a loaded bus ready to maintain winning. When he left everyone said that he was a losing coach because he was always “rebuilding” and FSU would show us who he was, it did and now the goal post keeps moving.

I did address it, CJL has us set up to be ranked going into the Sun Bowl, hell he had us set up to win the national championship. We did neither of those things and CWT did none of the things trying to be credited to him.

He did against Western Kentucky who he clearly set up for more sustained success than he did here...

We were ranked going into the Sunbowl I have no reason to believe that CWT would have won his first and only bowl game had he coached, because you know the whole never having done it thing.

That it arbitrarily both starts and ends in the middle of seasons speaks to the absurdity of your position

So whenever anything goes positive that’s all on him and whenever anything goes bad that’s not his fault? That’s the premise? It’s pretty remarkable that a coach that went 24-25 here and is overall 57-63 is known for being responsible for 50 percent more wins than he actually had. I assume he is getting credit for the final ranking after the bowl game and not for the part that led up to it that he was actually here for ( because finishing the season ranked had happened before)? Which is interesting because to date he has never won a bowl game. Other notable accomplishments by CWT that he actually had here and that do not arbitrarily start when he starts winning and abruptly end when another coach starts losing are being sub .500, having an almost unbeatably bad worst season record of 2-10 (before CJS said hold my beer), having only FCS loss since we went to FBS, having the first loss to UCF and having not a single marquee win. I liked CWT and I would have been happy for him to have stayed and for us to find out what would have happened with his continued tenure but his time here started off disastrous (some of it was Skips fault and some was his) and ended much better. The decline of the recruiting class had started before CCS stepped on campus and I’m not entirely convinced that CWT had an answer for his departing class. I think CWT was smart to chase the money when it was available because windows of opportunity tend to shut themselves rather abruptly. That being said anyone that believes CWT was great had said we would see his record finally get above .500 when he got the FSU job and could finally shake his career of rebuilding. It ended with more losses and being fired for it. People accuse me of romanticizing the CJL era but there is no more romanticized tale in USF lore than that of CWT. That everyone beyond CJL has been a complete failure allows the accomplishment of being average appear to be grand.

No one likes CJL because he didn’t fail, he is human, they like him because he did succeed and bleed green and gold at an infectious rate that makes Covid wear CJL pajamas to bed. No one is mad at CJS because he has had some mistakes it’s that in 6 games we haven’t found a single success.

We didn’t hire him knowing that he would change strategies at the midway point or have a couple of recruiting successes we hired him as 7-5 ceiling coach from middle of nowhere Kentucky that wanted to unsuccessfully run a Harbaugh style offense that got the results it should have expected. It ended up fine and it would have been nice to see how the story ended but the hire and the initial results were awful. CWT did not succeed in the end because he failed he succeeded because he gave up his failing ways and decided to develop a winning strategy.

CWT was a horrible hire, lucky for us he was able to pivot but every single thing about his strategy going in made him one of the worst choices we could have made and it is why he managed to lose to an FBS team and have the worst record in program history that only CJS seems capable of beating. I was happy with how CWT ended but the majority of his time here was a disaster and I’m not sure based on what he was bringing in he would have had an answer for the departure of Q. He was smart to leave when he did because a 2 year stretch of success based on a couple of key players is starting to look a lot like the only trick he had up his sleeve.

I’ve never said he can’t do it (he is new to the position and the job) just that his decisions and approach have been horrible and directly have contributed to his complete failure that cannot solely be blamed on CCS. I wish nothing more than for him to turn things around but if he thinks staying the corse of failure miracles it’s way success he is completely wrong. Success and failure is a flat Earth and if you want to continue a failing path in order to show its actually a sphere unlike the adventures of the early seas you are going to go off the edge of it.

I am always optimistic about anything I control and my optimism on things I do not control is driven by past results unfortunately that does not bode well for this situation but I think that speaks more to it than to me.