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hey, I thought everyone stood the whole time anyway....no need for seats! Just messin with ya! anyway Capognas is awesome, definitely check them out next time.

You're an absolute idiot for blaming Miami for this fight. FIU started the whole thing. They were getting frustrated for getting their  [smiley=moon.gif] handed to them and they take out frustration like that. Granted no one should have been fighting, but if you're teammates are getting attacked would you not want to defend them. I don't understand why people look down on this so much, but when it happens in baseball no one thinks anything of it. To me it shouldn't have happened, but when you have friends being attacked you have no choice but to help them. And you wouldn't go to the Orange Bowl to support the Bulls if they were playing there? It is a great atmosphere to see a game. who cares who started it, using your helmet as a weapon and the gang attacks were uncalled for. Both teams were to blame but just because one team started it doesn't condone the tactics used by miami. btw, went to the OB last year and was NOT a good atmosphere, was basically like entering a penetentary....the whole experience reminded me of the old "scared straight" experiment. Unless of course you like walking through the hood having the other fans in the face of women and children yelling FU FU FU FU. It is simply an atmoshpere of intimidation and their fans are just waiting to start trouble.

Nicely argued Bulliever, but I respectfully disagree with you.  I think some who booed were aiming those boos at CJL and his staff for putting us in the position too rely on a guy who has proven he can't cut it as a DI football qb.  Also, I think it a bit presumptuous of you too suggest that those who boo are somehow disconnected or seperated from USF.  I don't think for a second you can accurately predict such a thing based on a boo.  Futhermore, I regard the boo as a form of protest.  For example, some decent Americans think it o.k. to burn the U.S flag as a statment of protest;  I would never do such a thing, but the act of burning the flag doesn't in and of itself qualify me to pass such a judgment on them as too say they are anti-American or communist.  Some great Americans disagree with the war in Iraq and I don't believe they are any less patriotic than those who agree.  Sound a bit extreme? I don't think so.  We, those who are not so anti-boo are protesting.  We not only hope for greatness from USF, we demand it! Sorry but are you actually using an example of burning the American flag as a defense for a person to boo? Wow, this country has completely gone to ****. It's not ok to boo our players....it should be CRIMINAL to burn the American flag. You are absolutely wrong in not judging someone as not patriotic that burns the flag, that flag is the very symbol of every right this country affords even the most selfish bastard as well as the blood that went into giving them that freedom. To burn it is to burn the very thread of America, so YES those that burn the flag are traitors and should be dealt with as such.

Actually, booing someone IS a personal attack and to try and pass it off as anything else is laughable. At least on here, when someone makes a negative comment about another poster, the other poster has a chance to respond to it. Bingo, on here there is a debate/argument between two posters...booing on the field is just a one way personal attack. Look, these kids are not professionals and do not deserve to be booed if you can't see those actions as simply an mean hearted gesture to a kid on the field then there is obvioulsy no point in further debate. btw....Is there a point you would draw the line? would you boo high school or middle school students as well? How about peewee football? I can just see it now, an 8 year old getting booed as he comes in but hey it's alright since you have the right to show your displeasure  :

absolutely untrue, without booing we'd have a stadium full af classy fans. Maybe the next time a cop escorts one of your pals out of the stadium you can remember what a bit of common courtesy is like. Unreal, you get treated like **** and it's "poor me" but when you treat others like **** it's your "right" Apparently you didnt read my post on page 4 of that thread. Do yourself a favor and go do that. It's laughable that people are associating booing with "being classy". Everything in this world isnt flowers and lollipops, stop trying to make my football politically correct. If a guy sucks, he's gonna get booed. It's not personal. I dont know Pat Julmiste from Adam. Bottom line is that if you play well, you wont get booed. We have more than a full season of Pat Julmiste to base our opinions on. In his time as a starter, he threw more INTs than TDs, the USF Bulls had more losses than wins...AND in his GREAT BOWL SEASON, where he LED US TO A BOWL(one in which he was 8-25 91yds 1 INT and we were shut out 14-0 when A Hall ran for 118yds on 19 carries), the Bulls finished the year with a 6-6 record. I read your quote and find it absurd. This isn't the pro's and these students aren't professionals playing for the money. These are students of USF playing for their school and as such they should be supported. If you have problems, ***** about it with your friends, ***** about it here, send letters or make calls to the coaches or administration, however booing a student athlete IS classless and if you can't see that then hey it's not my fault you can't see beyond a trailer trash mentality. I'll deal with the problems I have with USF Football the way I choose and you can do the same. While at USF games I might decide to boo someone, coach, player, ref, anyone really, anyone that I feel like booing for a whole host concievable reasons.  Whether you agree with it, like it or not.  GO BULLS! spoken like a true inconsiderate ass

absolutely untrue, without booing we'd have a stadium full af classy fans. Maybe the next time a cop escorts one of your pals out of the stadium you can remember what a bit of common courtesy is like. Unreal, you get treated like **** and it's "poor me" but when you treat others like **** it's your "right" Apparently you didnt read my post on page 4 of that thread. Do yourself a favor and go do that. It's laughable that people are associating booing with "being classy". Everything in this world isnt flowers and lollipops, stop trying to make my football politically correct. If a guy sucks, he's gonna get booed. It's not personal. I dont know Pat Julmiste from Adam. Bottom line is that if you play well, you wont get booed. We have more than a full season of Pat Julmiste to base our opinions on. In his time as a starter, he threw more INTs than TDs, the USF Bulls had more losses than wins...AND in his GREAT BOWL SEASON, where he LED US TO A BOWL(one in which he was 8-25 91yds 1 INT and we were shut out 14-0 when A Hall ran for 118yds on 19 carries), the Bulls finished the year with a 6-6 record. I read your quote and find it absurd. This isn't the pro's and these students aren't professionals playing for the money. These are students of USF playing for their school and as such they should be supported. If you have problems, ***** about it with your friends, ***** about it here, send letters or make calls to the coaches or administration, however booing a student athlete IS classless and if you can't see that then hey it's not my fault you can't see beyond a trailer trash mentality.

First, you may be booing the coach but I guarantee you that the coach is the last one affected ie...your intent may be to boo the coach but the reality is that the player is the one that takes the pain. Second, these other kids may be getting booed but I highly doubt that it is the same situation. Pat has been benched, the coach already made Matt the starter, you got what you wanted and now you boo if he has to come in as backup? You act like the coaches made a decision to pull Matt for PJ. Say what you want but when all is said and done you were NOT booing the coaches decision at all, you were being mean hearted and booing a player that has done everything he can to help this team. Lastly who gives a **** what the gaytors were doing? Just because they act like ******** does it mean you should?

absolutely untrue, without booing we'd have a stadium full af classy fans. Maybe the next time a cop escorts one of your pals out of the stadium you can remember what a bit of common courtesy is like. Unreal, you get treated like **** and it's "poor me" but when you treat others like **** it's your "right"

they do, it's called student sections and doner sections. I'd guess also that the higher the donation the more "pop up" crowd and less standing crowds that you'll run across. I think wooly nailed it when he basically pointed out that you should act accordingly.

That is how it should be, when something great happens jump up and scream/cheer, on key plays when you need to be loud stand and make noise. There is no reason people should be forced to stand through the entire game just as there is no reason people should not be allowed to stand during the key moments.

I saw someone wearing a white visor with a green iconic u on the front and the shield logo on the side (as much of it that would fit that is), I couldn't see the back real well but I think it said bulls on the adjustment band. I've looked at all the online shops I could think of but can't find it. Has anyone seen it sold anywhere? I found this hat that seems to be a similar idea as the visor I saw. http://bullsheaven.com/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=958

I don't care about the snaps, especially since we run predominently outa the shotgun. It's when we are trying to get the playcall in. Delayed play call to Grothe, delayed relay to team, less time to Audible at the line, etc... honestly, if that was really a problem Leavitt would have put a stop to it. As has been mentioned they are told when and when not to play and I'm sure if it was an issue Leavitt would make sure that while on offense they would never get the ok. I think the wave that seems to always get started while on offense and the fans that never know when to quiet down during the plays would be much more of a distraction then the band. It's pretty obvious that you simply don't care about the band which is fine, however alot of people do so why not just ignore this thread and let those that actually care discuss it.

To clear up a couple of things 1)A sharp looking band and a good football team are not mutually exclusive therefore we can have both (and discuss both) without one affecting the other. Leavitt & co can worry about the team and the band can worry about the band, both will try to better themselves and hopefully they both will...I personally have no problem discussing either. 2)When I commented on the importance of how the band looks it wasn't about the old uniforms vs newer uniforms, but instead it was to speak out against the absurd notion of our band wearing cargo pants and polos. Maybe others don't agree that the band is an integral part of the college atmosphere for football (based on all the ******** about the piped in music I highly doubt there would be many that disagree) but I hope everyone does agree that they represent our school and as such they should look sharp. btw, I would also like to point out that the big doners that we want to attract are generally going to be wealthy individuals that are also highly interested in the arts and many come to these games with a big interest in watching the band perform. Do we really want to give a bad impression to that group of people?

I completely disagree, college football is an event not just a game. IMO that includes tailgating, marching bands, cheerleaders, football etc... In addition to that bands can create tradition such as dotting the "I" at ohio state or getting the entire stadium to do the warchant at FSU. The band and their look is important, what next? keep the cheerleaders and sundolls in sweat suits or the football team in practice jearseys? If you simply want to watch a football game then yeah it isn't important, but if you want to create that college feel you need it all and I'd much prefer to emulate the feel of the Michigan's and Ohio State's of the world over the FIU's (no offense to FIU but c'mon) BTW, question for the band members. Did you guys play a LOT more during the Rutgers game than usual? It seemed that we hardly ever heard the piped in music and got a lot more of the band.

when I read the first post in this thread my thought was that the promotion of Rod Smith was SOOOO rediculous that even the most gullable wouldn't fall for it...... read the rest with very humorous amazement  ;D

I think it's funny as hell...but then I'm also a three stooges fan so I guess I'm just a sucker for that type of humor ÂÂ

UNCLE!! Ok, I give I'm now officially a Jenn fan!

awww no CAN'T remove this feature! I haven't laughed this hard in years! ;D

Surprisingly good: Grothe (not really a huge surprise considering the talk but definitely a relief) Randolph (were did this kid come from?) WRs HOT (sorry couldn't resist that one) Not so good: Line play on both sides of the ball pass defense (do we even have one?) Play calling (one good half against ucf, the rest has stunk IMO) Running backs (when your working with the 3rd string and below it isn't that surprising) Kicking Team is still undisciplined (If we use that special formation called illegal again I'm going to go ballistic) What we need to improve: The items listed under not so good How we will finish, will we have a bowl?: no comment

It's called a discussion and I believe the discussion was specifically about our confidence in JL and why we feel the way we do. Nowhere do I see anyone (aside from yourself) bringing up replacements and answering that will take this thread off to a completely different direction. From what I can see there are the usual people that feel nothing can be done wrong and the usual people that feel nothing can be done right....in the middle are those that question and discuss the good and the bad and frankly that is where I find the actual interesting discussions to be....you know, it's called that HUGE gray area that is the most likely place to find reality.

why? I thought it was a good thread and has had some good points on all sides. Responses haven't been completely slanted one way or another and nobody (aside from the usual poster) has been outrageously negataive. I understand if you wanted to just have a bunch of perfectly positive posts but if an actual discussion about the topic was the purpose I think it has been a good one.

Remember the S. Miss fans? Wow, this comment would burn them up to hear that ucf should forget about keeping pace with USF and "just" be s miss LOL!

I agree completely about respecting Leavitt after all he has done for us. I also agree that he is 100% commited to our program which is why I 100% HOPE that he ends up being our coach for his entire career. However, you did ask everyone's opinion on whether or not we think he should be not if we hope he will be and unless we're just having a feel good thread I have to answer it honestly. The key to the answer to me is where I would like to see the program evolve into and to me that would be: 1)perennial BE champion 2)prominent national program 3)always have a packed stadium 4)become the premier team (at least college team) in Tampa I think everything Leavitt has done has build a very very solid foundation for us to get there and has accomplished something that probably only a handfull of people could have (or would be willing to) have achieved. That being said, it is my opinion that we still just don't know if he can go all the way or if there is a cap on his abilities. He has proven that he has talent as a coach but at the same time has shown some flaws that IMO could hold him back. IMO a lot will depend on his ability to adapt as the situations and needs change. So again, I 100% hope he is the coach yet can only say with confidence at this point that he (at this level) is a good coach with some flaws.

80-89 Leavitt has done a great job and if the question was whether or not he was the right coach up to the point we reached the big east I would have given him the 100% (hindsight is 20/20) Going forward I can't say 100% that he will be able to get us to a premier program in the big east or a national powerhouse (assuming that is the ultimate measure of success from here on out). I agree with Mike that many flaws would be there regardless of the coach but there are also some flaws that are independant of any program limitations such as his extreme loyalty to certain coaches and what seems to be a stubborness to change his mindset on the offensive system. Personally I hope he is the one and would love to see him be a legend at USF but nobody is flawless/perfect and it's a whole new ballgame at this level so we'll just have to see.

Thanks for the link! btw, we played Deer Creek today, really nice course. I bit rainy today but we ended up practically having to course to ourselves and it only really was a problem on a couple holes. Just about everyone we talked to mentioned that course you recomended over in manhattan, we probably won't have time to get there this trip but its on my list for the next visit...on to prairie highlands tomorrow!