ChiTownBull Posted November 4, 2005 Group: Member Topic Count: 879 Content Count: 5,691 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/27/2001 Share Posted November 4, 2005 http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2213130A week after Air Force football coach Fisher DeBerry was publicly reprimanded for insensitive comments about black athletes, Joe Paterno did not shy away from the topic of race during Tuesday's Big Ten coaches teleconference.At one point, the topic of the teleconference turned to the increased scoring in the Big Ten this season. After first mentioning that improved indoor practice facilities have helped the conference recruit kids from warm-weather climates, Paterno offered a supplemental explanation."You have to be careful the way you say things sometimes," the Penn State coach said. "Poor [Air Force coach] Fisher DeBerry got in trouble, but the black athlete has made a big difference. They have changed the whole tempo of the game. Black athletes have just done a great job as athletes and as people in turning the game around."Last week, after a 48-10 less to TCU, DeBerry noted that TCU "had a lot more Afro-American players than we did and they ran a lot faster than we did."Afro-American kids can run very well. That doesn't mean that Caucasian kids and other descents can't run, but it's very obvious to me that they run extremely well."DeBerry was reprimanded by Air Force's superintendent, and issued a public apology for his remarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smazza Posted November 4, 2005 Group: Member Topic Count: 9,898 Content Count: 66,091 Reputation: 2,434 Days Won: 172 Joined: 01/01/2001 Share Posted November 4, 2005 just stating the obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markeymark Posted November 13, 2005 Group: Member Topic Count: 693 Content Count: 5,550 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/24/2001 Share Posted November 13, 2005 JoePa is as close to untouchable as you can get. I'm waiting for the PC-weenies and phony race-baiters to start their whining over this one. It will be interesting to see where this one goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velcro Posted November 13, 2005 Group: Member Topic Count: 999 Content Count: 19,229 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/14/2002 Share Posted November 13, 2005 Let me ask you a question. If I said, "The sky is blue, water is wet and moose don't fit easily into coin slots," would you call for my dismissal? Well, then, why did Air Force football coach Fisher DeBerry get pure hell when he explained a bad loss to TCU by saying, "[They] had a lot more Afro-American players than we did, and they ran faster than we did.... It's very obvious to me [black players] run extremely well"? Did DeBerry sneeze into the flag or put out a kitchen fire with a bunny? Besides butchering the phrase African-American, what exactly did the 67-year-old DeBerry say that was so wrong? Hellllooo? In football, if you're looking for speed, 99.9% of the time you'll find it in a black athlete. All but one of the last 100 wide receivers taken in the first round of the NFL draft were black. Of the last 50 All-Pro cornerbacks, only one was white. Only 48 men have broken 10 seconds in the 100-meter dash, and they're all black. You think that's a coincidence? I have no clue why this is true. I just know it is true. Running fast is not the only thing these athletes are good at. Not by a million miles. But it is one thing. And yet knees started jerking instantly. DeBerry was called into the athletic director's office for a tongue-hammering. He had to apologize. A sanctimonious Colorado state senator called for his immediate firing. But get this: Almost no black people were upset! It was all PC whites freaking out for blacks. All my black friends were like, "Many blacks run fast? Duh!" Bill Johnson, a black columnist for Denver's Rocky Mountain News, couldn't understand the furor. "Was I missing something?" he wrote. If I were DeBerry's boss, I'd have screamed at him, too. "You've been coaching here 22 years and you're just now realizing black guys run fast? No wonder we suck!!!" DeBerry didn't insult blacks. If he'd have said, "Blacks are fast, but they can't grow orchids," or "Blacks are fast, but they stink at the accordion," then we'd have something. Look, the only way we're ever going to deal with real racism is to throw out all the dumb crap that isn't racism -- the stuff that gives racists ammo to toss at us. Take it back? The only thing DeBerry should take back is his apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smazza Posted November 13, 2005 Group: Member Topic Count: 9,898 Content Count: 66,091 Reputation: 2,434 Days Won: 172 Joined: 01/01/2001 Share Posted November 13, 2005 "[They] had a lot more Afro-American players than we did, and they ran faster than we did.... It's very obvious to me [black players] run extremely well"?it is a stupid commenthis team lost because they other team  had better football players not because they had more black playershis comment was inappropriatethank god this hillbilly won't be coaching much longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeysBull Posted November 17, 2005 Group: Member Topic Count: 88 Content Count: 737 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/18/2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Right above you wrote that joepa was just stating the obvious smazza. please try to be consistant.I dont understand the whole issue, is being fast not a compliment? Its better than being called slow.....And yes as someone who has run track in the memphis metro area, i can tell you that IN GENERAL blacks seem to be faster, not that there arent fast white guys, or slow black guys, but the trend is obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velcro Posted November 17, 2005 Group: Member Topic Count: 999 Content Count: 19,229 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/14/2002 Share Posted November 17, 2005 whether people want to admit it or not... their are some physiological differences regarding fast twitch muscles between whites and blacks... it doesn't make one better than the other, or guarantee one faster than the other... but there is a reason that 99% of professional speed athletes (receivers/track stars/defensive backs/base stealing specialists, etc) are black... and there is nothing wrong with that.Same reason can be said why men generally are stronger than women... there is a difference.... it doesn't guarentee any one person is bigger or stronger than the next... but in general, that is the case. Racism in this case is being generated by the people trying to protect others from racism that doesn't exist. If the blacks don't have a problem being generally called "faster"... then the PC whites should shut the hell up. I'm with Reilly on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smazza Posted November 17, 2005 Group: Member Topic Count: 9,898 Content Count: 66,091 Reputation: 2,434 Days Won: 172 Joined: 01/01/2001 Share Posted November 17, 2005 whether people want to admit it or not... their are some physiological differences regarding fast twitch muscles between whites and blacks...any scientific proof of this?some might say it is social economic reasons for blacks in sportsin other words your fast whites are lawyers,doctors and teachersi was extremely fast in junior high.one of the fastest in school but my parents stressed education not athletics.i concentrated in academics not track and fieldi am not saying i had world class speed i am saying it is a facacy to thing the blacks are a faster and more athletic because of color.i don't buy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velcro Posted November 17, 2005 Group: Member Topic Count: 999 Content Count: 19,229 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/14/2002 Share Posted November 17, 2005 it isn't because of color, it is because of physiology.  It is the same reason a greyhound is generally a better runner than a golden retreiver.<BR><BR>article:<BR><CENTER>  <TABLE BORDER="1" WIDTH="585" CELLPADDING="6" CELLSPACING="0" bordercolor="#990000">   <!-- -------------------- -->   <TR> <TD BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" ALIGN=left VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="585" BORDERCOLOR="#990000">  <p align="center"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="+1"><b><img src="Images_NYT/express.gif" width="349" height="52"></b></font></p>  <p align="left"><font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size=4><b><br>   </b></font><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="+1">Why   black athletes are the fastest runners</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">   </font></b> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br>   </font></p>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><i>by Emma Lindsey</i> </font></p>  <p><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">8 September   2000   London</font></p>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> As we prepare to stuff ourselves   on the feast of sport known as the Olympics, there is bound to be much   preprandial musing on why it is that so many of the world's best runners   are black. Staring at the all-black starting line up for the men's 100-metre   final, opinion will be sharply split. </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">On the one hand are those   who say it's in the genes; that black people were born not only to run   but run faster than white folk: on the other are those who baulk at   the very notion, saying that the preponderance of elite black athletes   is down to class and society. </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually both are right.   Genetics, in the form of having a higher proportion of "fast-twitch"   fibres and more testosterone than whites, may predispose a black individual   to run fast. But biology alone does not make champions. As well as graft,   focus and a winning mindset, the forces which combine to set those fast-twitch   fibres twitching in the direction of the school running track cannot   be underestimated. </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">In my own experience it was   touch and go. It was noted at school that I could run fast but my parents,   in particular my mother, snuffed out any thoughts of a career on the   track. Perhaps as a teacher herself, she was better placed than most   parents to see where that road might take me. Instead, I found myself   the only black kid in Latin classes. </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am not sure whether that   was a such a good thing either but the point is, my teachers were more   alert to the potential in a black child for sporting prowess than academic   achievements - and this is far from unique. </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oscar Douglas, a black 33-year-old   market researcher, was Surrey County champion for triple jump at the   age of 14. He says: "I left junior school in the top stream for all   my subjects but as soon as I got to high school, and my PE teacher saw   that I could jump, the only encouragement I got was from him. </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">"When it came to my academic   subjects I was virtually ignored. My teachers basically wrote me off   because I was good at sport." Eventually, Douglas went on to gain a   degree in sociology and psychology but he says: "I feel it was despite   my teachers not because of them." </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The question of race in   sport is fraught with myths and entrenched positions. Experts can demonstrate   with the aid of obliging Kenyans on a treadmill, the advantages of fast   and slow twitch fibres when it comes to explosive power and endurance.   </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Top geneticist Steve Jones   blurs the issue by saying that the idea that black people are good at   sport is meaningless - "I've never seen a pygmy win anything and they're   black, too..." - in an effort to dismiss the concept of racial purity.   Meanwhile, "race scientist" Jean-Phillipe Rushton posits a view which   caused riots on his Canadian campus. He says that black people have   a narrow pelvis which helps them run fast but that the downside means   they are born with smaller heads and, therefore, smaller brains. </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Amid all this there is a   question which no one really wants to explore. Why is it so hard to   believe that black people can run fast and be brainy? For example, the   reigning 100m Olympic champion, Donovan Bailey, was a City stockbroker   before he turned to athletics. </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Rushton's brand of racist   "science" highlights the equation that many otherwise rational people   carry in their minds: being black plus good at sport equals thick. That   is why so many black youngsters are forced into a trade-off between   learning lessons in the classroom or learning technique out on the field.   </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">It is why award-winning American   journalist Jon Entine caused such a storm with his book Taboo: Why Black   Athletes Dominate Sport And Why We're Afraid To Talk About It. He hit   a nerve. </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">There is a knee-jerk reaction   to any discussion which points up the differences between races. But   the fact is that, by and large, black athletes of West African extraction,   (which thanks to the slave trade, include Caribbeans and African-Americans),   tend to run faster than their Caucasian counterparts. Equally, black   athletes from North and East Africa have a genetic advantage when it   comes to distance running - and again the medal count speaks for itself.   </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Of course, there are successful   white athletes but, overall, black supremacy on the race track is blindingly   obvious - of the top 200 official times at 100 metres, not one has been   run by a white athlete. Only black sprinters have (officially) run under   10 seconds. Solomon Wariso, a graduate in biotechnology and 400- and   200-metre runner, says: "It's just stating facts that black athletes   can run faster and for longer. Among themselves athletes don't even   bother to discuss it. It's just like saying the track is red." </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Those who adopt the defensive   position, and insist that the predominance of black athletes in sport   is a coincidence, also buy into the notion that athleticism and intelligence   are mutually exclusive. The implication is that black people go into   sport because they can't make it in the world of work. It's not true.   Like any other field of endeavour, natural talent may well introduce   an individual to success but it's hard graft that will nurture the association.   Leading sprint coach Mike McFarlane, who has honed the talent of sprint   champion Dwain Chambers, among others, says: "We work hard six days   a week. </font>  <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">"In the winter when it's   cold, that's the time when you know whether you've got the character   or the heart and determination to get the best out of yourself." </font>  <p>  <li><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Picture taken from Sportscape:   The Evolution Of Sports Photography (Phaidon), £29.95 available   next month. </font>   <p>   <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b>A GREAT TRACK RECORD</b></font>   <p>  <li><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Power events which require   short, dynamic bursts of energy include the 100m, 200m, 400m, long jump,   triple jump, 110m hurdles and 400m hurdles. </font>   <p>  <li><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Black athletes hold the   world records in all seven major sprint events, including the two team   relays. </font>   <p>  <li><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Kenyans won gold, silver   and bronze medals in the 3,000m at the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. </font>   <p>  <li><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">At the 1988 Seoul Olympics   Kenyans won the men's 800, 1,500, 5,000 and 3,000 steeplechase titles.   </font>   <p>  <li><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">In 1886 Arthur Wharton,   a Ghanaian who settled in the north of England, became the first man   to run 100 yards in 10 seconds in the Amateur Athletic Association Championships.   </font>   <p>  <li><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Underneath black skin there   is more muscle and less fat. White athletes have a greater proportion   of fat and less muscle. </font>   <p>  <li><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Research carried out by   experts at the Copenhagen Institute of Sports Science on Kenyans from   the Kalenjin tribe of the Great Rift Valley, shows distinct genetic   characteristics which help them store oxygen in the body and reduce   fatigue. This would enable them to cope with hot conditions at high   altitude. As a result, the Kalenjin who took part in the trials posted   faster running times over 800m than Europeans at the same fitness level.   <br>   <br>   <a href="/express/express_copyright.html">© Express Newspapers,   2000</a></font>   <p> </p>  <li><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><!-- #BeginLibraryItem "/Library/Entine Footer.lbi" --> <p align="center"><a href="/index.htm"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Home  Page</font></a><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">  | <a href="../speakers_bureaus.htm">Public Speaking</a> | <a href="/bio.htm">Biography</a>  | <a href="mailto:runjonrun@earthlink.net">Contact Jon</a><br> <a href="/entine_file.htm">The Entine Files</a> | <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1891620398/jonentineonline/104-9200907-3943920">Buy  Taboo</a> | <a href="/entine_file.htm">Reviews & Articles</a></font></p><p align="center"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><b>www.jonentine.com</b></font></p><p align="center"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Copyright  © 1999–2002 Jon Entine<br>  all rights reserved</font></p><!-- #EndLibraryItem --></font> </TD>   </TR>  </TABLE></CENTER>#enable_html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velcro Posted November 17, 2005 Group: Member Topic Count: 999 Content Count: 19,229 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/14/2002 Share Posted November 17, 2005 This one is way too long to post... but feel free to read it at your leisure... well cited.http://www.smith.edu/philosophy/Taboo55.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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