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Are you joking? There are plenty of people here who were and still are happy to see Jim Leavitt gone. I see you've only been a member of this board for a few months - there was a whole separate forum created at the time of the Leavitt debacle for the two sides to have that never-ending argument. Also, compared to Skip Holtz, Jim Leavitt DOES walk on water.

Nationwide, yes. Just in the Orlando market? No. No previous BCS title game had higher ratings in Orlando than this year's Fiesta Bowl did, which totally shoots down your argument. Instead, what this demonstrates is that BCS games this year in general saw their ratings increase, and it is impossible to link it to any one team. Also, it was the UCF trolls more obsessed with impressing USF fans than with following their own team who tried to claim the significance of the BCS bowl ratings. I'm just enjoying throwing their own poor logic back at them.

12-0 and a spot in the inaugural fake "playoff," of course.

Right, I know what was said at the time. But we now have hindsight and can see that it was a horrible failure, perspectives change. It SHOULD be the case that Woolard tied his own job security at USF to that of Holtz with that extension - if it had worked out, he looks brilliant, but it didn't work out, and he should be fired just like Holtz was. I don't see Genshaft give many interviews in general anyway, so I'm not expecting there to have been something. Just asking.

Has Judy Genshaft ever been asked specifically about the Holtz extension and why it didn't cost Woolard his job? How many millions of dollars did that cost USF athletics? For something that was absolutely unjustifiable? That extension was the biggest decision of Skip Holtz's tenure, and it was an absolutely horrible one that is unequivocally a horrible failure.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/01/07/2014-bcs-national-championship-averages-15-7-overnight-household-rating/227312/ That figure actually crushed the UCF game's rating. Clearly Orlando is Seminole Country ... until the next big UF game, then it's Gator Country, then back and forth. It was never UCF Country though, and that was obvious to all but dumb UCF fans (also known as UCF fans).

It's Navy, not Air Force, and the conference title game will start in 2015 when they have joined the league.

Oh, haha. I guess he's a bit more noteworthy than I thought. Just not used to seeing people in such positions keeping a personal blog like that. But good on him.

Nobody noteworthy. It is a USF fan (and if he's traveling with Woolard, I assume a sizable donor, but don't know for sure) named Joel Momberg. The image is from his blog, here: http://www.iwasbornveryyoung.com/2012/09/bulldozed.html (I've never heard of the guy, I found the image using a reverse Google image search.)

I know it looks like it's on a plane, but that's actually Woolard while watching USF play offense during one of its games this season. The real surprise is that the team held onto the ball long enough for anyone to fall asleep.

Also, let's wait and see what actually happens before we declare what "NFL GMs seem to think." Going into the 2008, Brady Quinn was "projected" to be a top-10 or top-15 pick, and slipped to late in the round because, in fact, nobody knows what the GMs think until draft day. Leinhart slipped to lower than expected. So did Geno Smith last year. But even if he is a top-five pick, that's still no guarantee of success. Rivers, Russell, Young, Alex Smith, Harrington and Sanchez were all top-five picks of those that I mentioned. Only Rivers and Smith had any meaningful success as quarterbacks (and Sanchez played on a team that went to back-to-back AFC title games, though no thanks to him). Both Rivers and Smith have had good careers, but I think most would agree that, in hindsight, they weren't worth the spots they were drafted in.

Smith was a second round pick. And my list doesn't even mention guys like Cutler and Alex Smith and Jason Campbell and Philip Rivers, guys who had nice, serviceable careers as starters, but never won anything (so far) or became elite quarterbacks. Like I said, I see this category as the absolute best case scenario for any of the top three quarterbacks in this year's draft (assuming Manziel does in fact come out, no way he stays in school). I could go further back from than 2004, for fun: Remember Patrick Ramsey? Kyle Boller? Rex Grossman? Joey Harrington? There have been guys who were way more "can't miss" than Bortles who have, in fact, been misses.

I appreciate the dig at smazza, but I could do without more lawyers anywhere, thanks.

Well NFL GM's seem to think differently, my bet is they know more than you. Yeah because no NFL GM has ever drafted a quarterback in the first round that has been a bust. Of course. Oh wait, it happens every year, often multiple times. What a dumb comment. Consider this list: 2013: EJ Manuel 2012: Weeden 2011: Locker, Gabbert 2010: Tebow 2009: Sanchez, Freeman 2008: Russell, Quinn 2007: Vince Young, Leinhart 2004: J.P Losman All of them must be franchise guys. After all, an NFL GM decided to draft them in the first round. Right? Though, to be fair, it's too early to say for sure on the 2012 and 2013 guys, but neither of them look like superstars to me.

See, that's the thing. It's always fun to pull out the old archives and check that hindsight vision. It ain't always 20-20. How is hindsight not 20/20 here? Are you saying we're wrong to criticize Woolard having seen his near-decade at the helm of USF athletics?

Dude, not cool whoever bumped this thread. Way to give a whole fanbase false hope.

Thanks a lot for taking the time to type this all up, it's really helpful. I will reference it often between now and signing day.

Not trying to be a smartass, I'm just not getting your argument. Are you saying it's dumb to be calling for Heath's head? Something else? Yes. The guy is less than two years removed from the best season in MBB history and even that year it was tough to watch. I am not happy with the season to-date but I am willing to give him a chance to turn it around. Doug would crap the bed if he needed to find a replacement for Heath. Totally agree. Another losing season next year for Heath and I will revisit this opinion, but for now I agree with you. Just wanted to know if that was what you meant, thanks. And I hadn't thought of it that way, but yeah, the idea of Woolard hiring USF's next basketball coach is kind of depressing. Hopefully Heath can at the very least outlast him.

Not trying to be a smartass, I'm just not getting your argument. Are you saying it's dumb to be calling for Heath's head? Something else? I think he's into sailing. Yeah but you're the guy who thinks beating Auburn and FSU excuses a 2-10 season, I'll take someone else's interpretation please.

Hate's a pretty strong word .... more like an extremely unhealthy obsession with wanting to see Stan fail. As far as I can tell, that obsession is the only reason Vega knows this message board exists. Unhealthy is right.

Not trying to be a smartass, I'm just not getting your argument. Are you saying it's dumb to be calling for Heath's head? Something else?

Florida State needs to wake up or this game is going to be over by halftime. After that drop on the first drive Auburn could easily be up three scores right now.

We should start contacting all athletic directors at non-football schools, sending them anonymous emails saying bad things about Tampa, or Genshaft, or anything else that might convince them that the job isn't worth taking.

Logically it follows that there must be porn of people going to message boards and being surprised at finding references to Rule 34.

I save my chub for OCS discussions. Whenever I see that Orange Bowl on campus... Good to know OCS is your Bull porn, but for most on this board they get off on the demise of anyone. Bull snuff porn? If it exists, there is porn of it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_34_%28Internet_meme%29