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RU's construction has already begun, so better talk to your buddy again. The Cinci expansion is on hold, much like our sundome improvements....it doesn't mean Cinci doesn't want to expand, or plan to expand, or that the BE wouldn't like them to expand...they just can't given the present circumstances. Uconn's stadium has two end zone sections that can add the additional 10k seats, it actually holds a touch over 40k, but it has end zone sections like Ray Jay that can be put on without interferring with current operations. THe biggest hurdle for them was parking...they really didn't have enough to support what was already there...recently some acreage opened up and was provided for a parking structure. Once that is completed it is believed the expansion plans will begin. ToeJam, I know who you are, and you're pathetic inferiority complex is ridiculous. You have no idea what your talking about, purely speculating on it because you feel like I 'dissed' your athletic department. Yes, USF has only sold 1000 for some hoops games, but we've also put 7-9k in for teams like Uconn, UL, and Syracuse. They want a bigger stadium for obvious reasons...duh, duh, duh. If you are so narrowminded then that's fine, but the idea is for big time television, and promotional games. Hell USF is even playing games in the Forum...trust me, if UCF came to the BE they would be required to play a few games in the Magic Arena. I've seen your hoops deal, and it's very pretty, it's not that envious by a long-shot, and to suggest such just further amplifies your inferiority issues. It's still only seating like 8,000 total, and thus the BE would request that you play some games, perhaps TV games, in a larger Arena. At this point I really don't care if you agree. This is something USF has had to deal with, and it's clear that all the other schools work at it too. All the BE schools with smaller arenas play games in larger ones, like TD Waterhouse, Wachovia, Madison Square Gardens....for big games. I know UCF is going to expand their totally awesome stadium, because even though your season tixs have dropped almost 30% since the first year...everything is so awesome, and everyone loves UCF...and their facilities are the epitome of awesomeness...and only the brightest and best go to UCF> I've heard all your BS before toejam, now isn't their a smack board you should be at,, and allow reasonable fans like Chad and I to talk?

ToeJam...not that I care to debate you with because you're only into insulting, however all of the aforemention you provided either have expansion plans, or are expanding. You already know that UL is in the midst of an actual expansion, but failed to mention, that will add 20k seats. So is RU football stadium which will increase it's capacity to 56k...oh my. And Uconn's Rentschler Field is expandable to 50k+ immediately if needed. Once Uconn executes that plan it can be retrofitted, if you read up on the Field they emphasize the ability to quickly expand when requested. The additional parking has been recently added, once that garage is completed it should open the opportunity for expansion (parking is a big issue there)...it certainly isn't season tixs hurting them since they've been over 24-25k every year, and sellout virtually every game. When Uconn expands (and it will happen), then it would be WVU, Uconn, UL, RU, USF, WVU, and Pitt all playing in football facilities holding over 50k fans. Cinci was required to expand Nipper field however has run into snags such as fan support. Hell USF was requested to improve our hoops facility by the BE and we've yet to get it done all the way because of fundraising. I never said it would keep your beloved UCF out, but it doesn't make your position easier when BE is trying to expand football and hoops and wants their stadiums and arenas to be a certain size. UCF could easily get around the hoops arena thing by playing a few hoops games at the Magic Arena, just like Villanova, and St. John, and RU do already. But football would mean you'd have to promise to expand. Which leads me to your hoops arena reference, now you're just being silly. First, St. Johns and Villanova have alternative venues to go along with their on-campus. Both play home games at MSG, and Wachovia Arena respectively...check it out ToeJam...go ahead. RU also plays in alternative locations for some games. I know this minimum requirement to be the case because there have been design ideas for altering the SunDome, and the conversation was we could not dip below the BE required 10k seat arena...why on earth do you think that UCF was using the Magic Arena as a proposed hoops facility during BE expansion talks...because they had a minimum requirement. THe same has been said in our athletic department when a casual conversations about a stadium, i.e. something like what UCF has built....takes up...and the discussion is always reminded that the BE now wants all their stadiums to be 50k or more. UCF could agree to expand their stadium so why worry and throw a tantrum ToeJam? The point is growth in the BE, and remember UCF's hoops arena was originally much bigger until scaled back to the under 9,000 seats for economic purposes to get built. There was a reason behind that number.

BTW, I just read Brett's blog after typing my post above. Obviously he and I think alike on this, and I have been very critical of Brett in the past but I did want to give his blog credit. That was a fair, and thought out opinion...not one sided, and not accusatory without a strong understanding. He simply spelled out the situation, and stated USF is to be blamed collectively, although I think less should fall on the coaches because I am sure they didn't want to be in this situation...but he was understanding, and his opinion came off as constructive criticism versus past pieces from him that would come off as all out assaults on USF or a coach or system. Bravo Brett, this blog shows you've got it in you, there are ways to criticize without completely berating. Constructively criticize, as you did in the recent blog entry, is far more reasonable and acceptable then diatribe of personal attacks.

Justin Green is where? Nobody wanted to take a shot on him and he's making his way through CC and plans to come here next year. Teeng Akol? A major project that's still far from fruition. http://newsok.com/travis-ford-teeng-akol-has-work-to-do/article/3375964?custom_click=lead_story_title Maybe Thornton will be 'the one that got away', but even the big schools know that you only take academic chances on STUD talent. If Coach believed that Thornton was a difference maker in this class, I guarantee he gets admitted. Read between the lines in his comments and you get the feeling that he cooled on the kid at some point in the process and nobody went to the wall for him with the committee. If you read what I typed the point is this will be used against us and hurt us in recruting. You can disapparage an athlete and their talents all you want but the fact is heath took Akol in lieu of another athlete, by the time he realized the academic committee wouldn't allow him access it was to late to find a replacement for that schollie, ditto for Thornton...case in point we have Thornton and John Brown came knocking on our door inquiring about a transfer, we said 'no' because the proverbial 'inn is full' well now it's not as it appears we may only bring in 24 kids from the 2009 recruiting class and may have had room for him after all particularly after losing Thornton. The point is when a school takes this long to let a player know that will be used negatively against us, as it should because no kid should find out this late that he isn't admitted into the school when he passed the NCAA Clearinghouse. USF is entitled to their rules, and requirements but they need to let the staff and players know much earlier about who will make it in....they owe it to them, these are kids and this is not fair to them. Hell Akol was already enrolled before he was ripped out of class and basically kicked out of school. This will hurt us with recruiting, this may hurt coaching staff and academic relations, and it might hurt our sports downt the road because we never had enough time to plan continency options...once it hurts, but more and more times it begins to be very painful for a program. Take Justin Green he was probably destine for OT, and we're entering this season without a great OT...it would have been nice to have him hear with a year under his belt at tackle, OR having signed another player to fill his absence.

Matt, you are right but our University knew about the APR scores, or approximated level, months before. Not to mention our APR for football and hoops had mitigating aspects attached to them. The APRs you see now are for 4th and 5th year kids that enrolled in 2004 or 2005 or sub-JC's transfering in. We had a transition moving to the BE and BCS, and our 2004 class lost over a dozen kids to transfer or drop out, 2005 is improved but bad...after that we're markedly better. The NCAA recognized that which is why the waiver, and our score is expected next year to be above the redline. Enrolling Thornton now would have absolutely no effect on the APR until at least a few years down the road if he flunks out, or 4-5 years down the road when he graduates. If that is solely the position of the academic committee then that is a pure cope out. I understand the need to get good student athletes but a process must be maintained. That is unfair what they are doing to these kids...you do not leave so many out to dry, and you can't keep blaming coaches the academic advisors must be committed to clearing these kids quicker. The fact is now our academic committee is becoming an hinderance, and Genshaft and WOolard need to review the process. We've lost Justin Green, Akol, Thornton, another hoops signee months after it should have taken to say 'yea' or 'nea'...this will be used against us.

I dunno beach that to me is biased. I think 83 and KL are a push in the obsessive category. Whereas 83 might be a bit more obsessive with UCF then KL with USF (not by much), KL also has second obssessin withUCF, which easily rivals 83's. I think KL would physically harm even Knight fans if they spoke about the UCF athletic department in anything other tone then reverence. Everytime I read guys on the board, even question anything whatsoever about UCF, a recruit, a coach, attendance...he goes nuts and puts a pure heavenly spin on it. It's really fun to watch...even UCF fans will say on a post that goes negative "Cue KL." So I think generally 83 and KL are equally obsessed with all things USF and UCF.

actually i think buchalter gave that little ranking as a tongue and cheek ranking for the sentinel. He is semi-retired but does run a prep-report website in a jv with the sentinel called 'varsitygridirons'. The site is varsitygridiron.com, check it out because bill has a top 100 list there, and if you look at that list you'd realize that his little tongue and cheek ranking he gave on signing day was graded on a curb. He couldnt/doesn't honestly believe UCF's class is in our class. In his top 100 list USF signed 9 and UCF 3....go figure!

We know where you were.... Bigtime FAIL 83!!! http://westernmichigan.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2517&tid=124293982&mid=124293982&sid=1189&style=2 Wow you beat out WMU to sign a HS QB with a career completion percentage of 45%, who most any decent school was pursuing as an athlete, and a no-name two star corner. This is definitely worthy of a good ole fashion golf clap. Why do you guys always sign awful passers while George O has been leading the charge?

Great, which basement did CJL stuff your old worthless C-USA hoisted trophies? Hmmmmmm.* c-usa was just a stepping stone for us. For you guys its something you're proud of hence your constant yammering about your paper weight. Nice dodge.* Really? Really? Acting like C-DOA Championship trophy is meaningful, and trying to rub it in our face, in a conference and year that no team finished the season ranked, where we beat the conference champion 63-12, no team even finished the season in the top 35, AND A SEASON WHEN USF FINISHED WITH MORE VOTES THAN EVEN THE HIGHEST C-DOA VOTE GETTER (SEE LINK)....is truly, truly pathetic. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex?seasonYear=2007 What you are doing Chad is like a semi-pro football team that won a regional championship telling the Patriots they are the better football team and true champions because they at least won a championship that year. The Patriots would tell them, 'ok let's settle this on the field', and I'd say the same to you but WE ALREADY DID!!!!!!!!! I honestly have not read much on fan boards as pathetic and sorry as what you're trying to insinuate. I feel sorry for you man.

Really? Like who? Don't read into the stars or what brandon 'pumpmefullofnuttinbuttagoodtime' helwig tells you about a kid. Generally I think UCF isn't even top tier non-BCS. Remember there is a big difference between a kid being good compared to your team and good compared to the nation. I've seen UCF fans think that because a freshman comes in and grabs tons of playing time, or starts that it means he's great...sometimes maybe, but in most cases it's because UCF is void of talent in certain areas. Look at RB, you've got some neat looking freshmen, maybe 1-2 are BCS talents, but when all they've got to beat is walk-on Ronnie Weaver.... UCF's two best athletes are Kamar Aikens, and AJ Guyton, on the jumbo side Steve Robinson, and Latavious Murray. Ask yourself why you had all these WR's from LA, GA, and SC but your two best came from FL...your staff has spent entirely to much time cultivating meaningless and useless out-of-state ties, and not concentrating in-state. For all of Coach K's misgivings he at least looked for FL JUCO's, which still gave him tie-ins to FL. I think UCF has some nice components but the big problem is you don't have enough of them, Aiken's best position to most was safety, in C-USA he makes a fine receiver, but what else. Khemest Williams, Haynes, Keys...haven't lived up to hype, or delusion I should say. You need more playmakers at more key positions and need to get more speed and size at certain spots in unconventional manners. Move a Murray to OLB, perhaps DE...get speed to areas that you currently lack even if you're compensating. O'Leary is hung up on prototypical size, and old-school conventional thinking....he should be scouring this state more, going smaller but adding more speed. Why they skip on a kid like Xavier Stinson, or Jordan McNair (a great receiver in the panhandle who went to USM but UCF hardly looked) is beyond me. There is a big difference between a school that might have given a verbal offer to a kid in the summer or spring and a hard paper offer later in the year. Just because someone says an offer came from this or that doesn't mean it's true.

Yep! So far it appears we've got more figured out than you!

:ROFLMAO It sounds like someone let Brandon venture outside of the dumbgeon and his myopic website.

Well, Heath and Woolard had pretty accomplished records when they came. They had both proven records. I guess the only difference is they weren't past their prime. Not even close. Sloan, and Saban were retreds. Heath and Woolard were still ascending. I am just saying some bosses take different tacts in hiring. Some hire for experience, some hire for potential. UCF seems to like guys very long in the tooth.

BTW, what is it with UCF hiring a bunch of old-timers for their athletic departments that had done great things elsewhere? Steve Sloan, Kruzchek, O'Leary, Tribble, Jay Bergman, Lou Saban....the funny thing is Steve Orsini, a young up and comer might have done more for them than most of these former legacy guys. O'Leary and Tribble to be continued. Look at USF, Leavitt, Heath, Erickson, Woolard, Greenberg...for some reason we seem to have smartly stayed away from the relics that were legends elsewhere. The few times we did make those hires they never panned out as well as hoped like Lee Rose, and Selmon.

Exactly, that's why I have never held O'Leary accountable for the Titanic disaster whose name is Steve Sloan. He didn't dream big and therefore mired us into stagnation when we should have been growing faster. That is who I will soley and squarely blame if we lose on Saturday. Not O'Leary, not Tribble, not the team, no one but him. I know enough history to be confident on my position. Hold on, hold on, yet again UCF fans are over simplifying things with small morsels of facts First, Steve Sloan was a celebrity of sorts, former Alabama All-American, head coach at a bunch of institutions, and was AD at Bama before coming to UCF. He had good lineage, but he came in when the UCF budget was $3M, and they were severely in debt from an ill-conceived move of trying to jump your football program to early in the mid-80's by hiring Lou Saban, who ran up a several million dollar debt. Sloan managed to get you out of debt, grow your athletic budget by 5x's the amount of when he arrived, he got the Densch Field House built, scheduled Bama for your monumental win. His problem was Sloan was a 'good ole boy' southerner with the awe shucks mentality. But the fact was UCF's battle with the budget in the early going prolonged your jump to 1-AA, and to 1-A, and by the time C-USA was starting to form, UCF had just started in (1993) 1-A athletics. But his big misstep was the bad hustle move getting out manuevered by ECU to get into C-USA when an opportunity opened up. ECU started as 'football only' at C-USA, and Sloan didn't have the foresight to recognize it was better to affiliate his University with this conference in some capacity. He passes, as you say 'hoping for better', and what happened was ECU took the football only, soon after was admitted for all-sports, and the rest is history. Had Sloan worked to get a 'football only' membership in C-USA, before ECU, then UCF's history could be vastly different. I think UCF fans, if you indeed know your history, should recognize that had it not been for other fine efforts of Sloan's like fundraising, and budget management, you might have never made the full jump to 1-A in athletics. Besides what's your concern, O'Leary says you'll be in the ACC, SEC, or BE in three years. : So you had to wait a couple of extra years, it was the other efforts that saved your athletic program (football was talked of shutting down when the debt was at it's highest) by Sloan. 8)

Wait, wait, wait....do you read chad your just pop off after reading the first line of my small, and concise dissertation ;D I said it wsa hoops, and OLYMPIC SPORTS overall that brought USF into the BE. You cannot look someone stone faced in 2003 and try to explain to them that the competition level, and talent level you had and faced in the TAAC/A-SUN was commensurate with what USF had and faced in C-USA. The Big East wasn't looking for promises and potential they were looking for immediate viability, and scalability for all sports including football. USF brought that to the equation, and UCF at the time, based purely on hunches, probably only brought football from that definition. As far as the aloof schools like USM, and ECU, well those schools had lots of strikes against them moreso than bad luck....poor academics, poor markets, difficult to location, get to. They had up and down Olympics programs, lower athletic budgets, and both lacked some marque selective process. At the time, when they were deciding it really was Memphis, USF, and UCF, once it was decided it would be 'all sport' UCF dropped out and it was Memphis and USF. USF got the nod over Memphis for television reasons, freshness (meaning Memphis has had 100 years to get football right and they've managed to step all over themselves and their name is forever emblazened as a national 'also-ran'), and location (USF was in a larger television market, and fertile recruiting ground but more so many BE people thought USF had limited overlap in market, for example Memphis is sandwiched between UT, Vandy, and ARK, and those small populous areas had little room to appreciate a fourth team, whereas USF had from Inverness south to Naples, and a rapidly growing area that USF had almost no competition in that area for fans). UCF in no way was a shoe-in based on football. They're success had been fleeting to that point (as had ours) and your season ticket totals were pathetic, even compared to ours at the time...check it out if you don't believe me. UCF from 03-05 was hovering around 9,000 season tixs. Anway, UCF fans such as yourself should worry about the future and not the past. The missteps that cost UCF a potential to be in the BE started decades before, first with the hiring of Lou Saban and his lack of fiscal sensibility for a small DII school, and carried forward through the mid-90's when Sloan didn't have the moxie to get you into play for admission into C-USA from the outset.

Things were way different back in the early 80's. No BCS, etc. We also didn't luck into the Big East by virtue of having a hoops team. Huh? How about the fact we were competing and winning in conferences with many of these guys when you all were DII in the 80's, and very early 90's. UCF had a head start with a football program but USF had a head start with a well rounded 1-A athletic program. Bouncing around conferences with brethren the likes of Vtech, UL, Cinci, ECU, and others garnering name recognition and respect among the athletic departments in the East. What does that have to do with the fact that luckoflakes rather than merit based football achievement landed you in a BCS conference? I mean ****, Miami of Ohio has been playing football for probably a century and is still waiting. That's what's so screwed up about D-1 football today, the sheer inequity of it all. It's only inequity if you're the one being passed up. If you guys had won ONE meaningful game in your long, sorry history, you might have had a case. As it is, the Big East laughed at you. Nothing was handed to our program for free since 1979. Not luckoflakes, not BCS realignment, not good fortune, not fair weather, nothing. That's why it has been a pleasure to see us go from BBQ fundraisers to BCS facilities and beyond. We weren't just handed everything on a plater. Hold on Chad...we were never handed anything on a platter chief...and clearly your knowledge and understanding of our athletics and yours is skewed at best. Sure UCF has had a great rise too, and you've done wonders in the past 10 years overcoming some very, very bad moves in the 80's, and early 90's. UCF got itself in bad debt during the Saban era, and in the early 90's. You were DII in athletics up until 1991 I believe, and by the time you started pulling yourselves out of debt and looking for a meaningful conference it was too late. Your AD Sloan did a good job managing your debt, but also did a poor job of managing the conference admission process. UCF's early years were a history lesson in some bad missteps that caused your school dearly when conference selection came around for the BE. In the mid-90's UCF waffled and didn't try to line-up membership in the original C-USA...that move killed them moving forward. They spent another 6-8 years trying to beg their way in, and by the time it was obvious they had to find a home for football opted for the MAC, which did you no justice in the way of media profiling. So, at the time of selection for the BE C-USA was touted as almost a 7th major conference in hoops and football. We had programs like TCU, UL, and Cinci knocking off BCS programs regularly and with heisman hopefuls. You were in TAAC/A-SUN for olympic sports, and the MAC for football. Not by desire but by necessity, and it was an awful platform for UCF to promote their athletics from.... Give yourselves a great pat on the back. You've overcome some great adversity, and prospered, but some early missteps are what kept you a step behind when it came to conference realignment because the BE turned to C-USA based on prestige, and notoriety for it's exclusive membership selections. If anyone can really truly make an argument for being 'jobbed' by USF based solely on our potential it is Memphis. They had a decent football program, strong built in rivalries, and an amazing hoops program. USF getting the nod over them was more so based solely on our potential in football, and our fertile recruiting and tv region.

Things were way different back in the early 80's. No BCS, etc. We also didn't luck into the Big East by virtue of having a hoops team. Huh? How about the fact we were competing and winning in conferences with many of these guys when you all were DII in the 80's, and very early 90's. UCF had a head start with a football program but USF had a head start with a well rounded 1-A athletic program. Bouncing around conferences with brethren the likes of Vtech, UL, Cinci, ECU, and others garnering name recognition and respect among the athletic departments in the East. What does that have to do with the fact that luckoflakes rather than merit based football achievement landed you in a BCS conference? I mean ****, Miami of Ohio has been playing football for probably a century and is still waiting. That's what's so screwed up about D-1 football today, the sheer inequity of it all. Huh? Again, huh? Where was Miami of Ohio in the equation? When was merit based football achievement the pre-requisite for admission into the BE? At the time UCF didn't have any 'merit based football achievement', Miami of Ohio's 'merit based football achievement' was fleeting at beset. The BE looked for a school that possessed the entire athletic 'platform' necessary to make the jump quickly, and which was scalable. At the time USF was that school. UCF had all these great 'facilities' still on the drawing board, they were playing olympic sports at the time in the TAAC/A-Sun generally calling schools like Lipscomb, and Garner-Webb as conference rivals. Whereas we were playing UL, TCU, Marquette, Depaul, Cinci, St. Louis, and others in C-USA. We had the clearer platform for ALL SPORTS, that allowed for the potential to immediate success. If you want to talk about football achievement well coming off successive seasons of 8-3, 9-2 and 7-4, winning numerous 1-A games, and beating a BE team (Pitt) didn't hurt our selection either. In that time UCF was 6-5, 6-6, and 3-9, so it wasn't like your 'merit based football achievements' were winning any awards. It was clear, at the point of selection, when an 'all-sport' member had to be selected by the BE that USF possessed everything they were looking for, 1. an athletic program that had grown and maintained a competitiveness against future BE opponents in all sports, 2. was accustom budget wise to be immediately competitive in the BE, 3. had the facilities necessary to host primary BE events (we had the SunDome and at the time your convocation center was only a dream), 4. was a large institution in a primary television market with signs of support from their community (we have a larger tv market than Orlando, Greenville, NC, and Memphis, TN, and our basketball program had received solid community support during those periods). Why do you think this was all about football? It was an "All Sport Membership" to the BE, not a "Football Only". When the BE was considering "Football Only" before BC's departure UCF was in-play, but once BC's announced departure and it was clear an "All-Sport" member had to be selected and we surged ahead of UCF primarily because of our contacts, and relationships in C-USA having played on a larger platform then UCF in the TAAC/A-Sun, and the SunDome, knowing we had the ready made facility to at least accomodate bringing in teams of the BE's stature. There was some calculating and intelligence made in the decision. Just because you're all emotionally upset about it doesn't mean at the time USF wasn't the right choice. At the time of the selection UCF was just a bit behind on their plan for the facilities and athletic program development. If the selection was made today then it would clearly have been a toss up assuming you would have been in C-USA with us. But it was not, and it was all about timing and USF being ready for the 'all sport' jump at the time. Feel free to debate and spin but I can assure you this is what was won us the spot....not someone pulling straws in a back room, or because UCF got 'jobbed'....blame your inability to make a meaningful conference jump in the late 90's when you tried to get to C-USA, but were denied and ECU was selected instead. That, more than anything, is what really killed UCF's potential to get to the BE.

Things were way different back in the early 80's. No BCS, etc. We also didn't luck into the Big East by virtue of having a hoops team. Huh? How about the fact we were competing and winning in conferences with many of these guys when you all were DII in the 80's, and very early 90's. UCF had a head start with a football program but USF had a head start with a well rounded 1-A athletic program. Bouncing around conferences with brethren the likes of Vtech, UL, Cinci, ECU, and others garnering name recognition and respect among the athletic departments in the East.

We more than recruited him, we pushed real hard and he was considering a visit until the water got very murky about eligibility and who was leading his camp- his foster family, grandmother, Deion....every one had a different vision of what he should do-- imagine that.

Good grief how things taken on a life...Huggins was never a real option, and that's a fact, so that can't really be blamed on Woolard either. Woolard's done an amazing, unbelievable job...things like iron bulls, football improvements, facility improvements, better staffing, better implimentation...the guy is top notch. If you're talking about the hoops mess at USF, well someone summarized it best, if Lee Rose couldn't win here...sorry but it's going to take time regardless who is brought in to right the ship. That's the painful truth, only Lee Rose came in and was almost instantly successful, but Paschal had three straight seasons of 6-8 wins, Greenberg two, Lee Rose was barely above .500 a guy with two Final Fours, and tons of big wins. It takes time to build the infrastructure, and improvements to make a program Big East caliber. Also, it's impossible for anyone to buy or replicate things that many of our conference brethren have like Final Four appearances, NBA legends, legendary coaches, and tons of awards. It almost is going to take a little luck as well as tons of commitment from fans and alum.

Yeah, and they'd do him like Andre for sure. They didnt have room for him on the roster at least they didnt string him along and he got an oppurtunity to be picked up by other teams. also didnt he measure at 5'8" and was listed at 5'10". its a little shorter tham a lot of teams want right..i know there are exceptions but how many starters are 5'8" rb's in the NFL...Snake on the other hand is 6'3" and 229...Brooks is 230 Quarles is 225 so Snake fits the mold of a BUC LB But snake is really 6-1 3/4 (combine measurement), and he's not as fast as Brooks or Quarles, but other than that he fits the bill.

Not to mention it was merely a rumor started by Huggy's agent. He wasn't interested in this job per se, but more on the pub to get his name circulating. As for the same as last year. 2006-07 2005-06 12 wins 7 wins- this year is better 1 conference win 3 conference wins- this year is better 9 returning players 7 returning players- this year is better 1 ranked win 1 ranked win- equal We're better the question of how much and is it enough is the million dollar question Woolard will be answering shortly.

Yet Joe, some of us were there, AND now doing the other stuff. I respect the students and their support, but it's the guys that don't have to do it anymore that I respect more. As for the student crack, it gets a bit tiring to read guys on here that demand things, refuse or care to know about USF or the history, their history goes back 5 minutes not 5 years...and then call some of us crazy for having some realism, and foresight in our thinking. Take Rube for instance, a classic case...doesn't know, doesn't care he's wrapped up in his own personal idealism, and obsessive behavior. Ignorant as all get up, and doesn't care to listen to others. Now you're a break from the norm it seems. You appear to be grounded and appreciative of the program and school's capabilities. Hard to find these days on this website, or others. It's like some think because UF fans act like that then so should we. BTW, I believe the student fees at USF are $7something an hour. I thought they were that high at UCF.

Actually, sandwiched between Paschal's great stretch from 89-92 were two 7-21 seasons. To date, look where every coach was before they arrived, and what they achieved upon arrival- Lee Rose, Paschal, Greenberg, and Robert McCullum. All four achieved post season at their respective schools before arriving at USF and none could parallel their successes here, and either sunk into an abyss of losing or started and finished horrendously at USF. Rose came and was instantly successful but you would be to with Tony Grier, Willie Redden, and Vince Reynolds. The 81-82 team with Grier, Redden, Reynolds, and a young freshman named Bradley was a fun team, had the first three not all been seniors and been around for Charlie's soph season things at USF might have been a whole lot different. Pascal started his tenure at USF, 8-20 in 86-87, 6-22 in 87-88, and 7-21 in 88-89, but mind you that was all in the Sunbelt and no moving to the Big East, that's a worse start then Mac. Granted he went to the NCAA's in his fourth year in 89-90...but the question remains that a team of Holmes, Curry, Gransberry, Amu Saaka (who's really starting to get 'it'), Howard, Bozeman, Cann and Verdejo could make some noise next year. Get to know USF history and it will shock some.