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3 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

Except people did show up during the QF days ..........

Feel free to fact check it, but I don't think our attendance under QF, when we were ranked, was at the same level as when we were ranked and playing in the Big East. 

10 hours ago, michibull said:

I mean look at QF’s era of football and still NOBODY showed up and that was a good 2 1/2 years of FUN football; it was embarrassing when people would ask why nobody shows up.

The city doesn’t support us, Alumni don’t support us, students don’t support us and the school won’t do whatever it takes to change that; and because of this, no P5 school will ever consider us for expansion. The BE should have forced the B12’s hand and taken Kansas and co, but they were passive and were were destroyed. Just like how UCF got overly aggressive and passed us (and believe me, I HATE that it happened like that) while we sat on our hands staying the course.

I’m not saying we should break rules and do all types of shady things like UCF did, but we need to dump money and resources and get aggressive with our sports if we want to change our course, but idk if our athletics department has it in them; which is why nobody cares about us.

Complete agree. Particularly, no one showed up for the QF days because the Tampa Bay area doesn't care about the AAC. Kelly noted that <1% of all alumni have ever, at any point, contributed to the athletic department - that has to change, but most alumni look at their time at USF as a transactional relationship and that's it. UCF did make the investment and it certainly had paid off, and while I am supportive of USF making that move the money has to come from somewhere and you still have to have a strategy on how to use it wisely, otherwise you just burry yourself in debt.

9 minutes ago, Triple B said:

The "area" doesn't really give a **** about UCF either. Most of the extra butts in the stands are Kanigit fans .....

I know many USF fans where this is the one game they attend every two years, but agree that UCF give attendance a bump.

50 minutes ago, Peatearpan said:

Problem is there will be more ND fans at our home game than USF fans 

That's what is going to happen until the program gets turned around. Its an uphill battle to carve out a space among programs that have generations of a head start on us, but we have known that from the start.

8 minutes ago, Peatearpan said:

I am not understanding what you mean in this bold part. Tampa does not want to see teams that are not UCF? 

Correct. The area doesn't want to see AAC teams (e.g. Tulsa, Temple, Tulane) that are not UCF, so Kelly has created a non-conference schedule that will engage the disengaged USF fan and the broader Tampa Bay area.

USF has the best non-conference HOME schedule of any G5 team and its not even close.

Nothing short of amazing on what Kelly has done with our non-conference HOME schedule. The Tampa Bay area has announced loudly that they are not interested in seeing AAC teams outside of UCF, so the non-conference schedule Kelly has pulled together will (a) give something for fans to get excited to see and (b) give the program an opportunity for a marquee win to generate interest for the remainder of the year.

Home games over the next 9 years that should generate a big gate include Florida (2021), Florida A&M (2021), BYU (2022), Alabama (2023), Florida A&M (2023), Louisville (2024), North Carolina State (2024), Boise State (2025), Bethune-Cookman (2026), Miami (2027), Florida A&M (2027) and Notre Dame (2029). That's 6 P5 home games over the next 9 years, with an opportunity to add more.

Happy Easter everyone!

1 hour ago, Friscobull said:

He is the head coach and if he didn’t fire him on the spot then he has to go, simple as that.  Fire them all and make sure they never coach again in any capacity, this seems reasonable.

I think this is the biggest risk to Gregory. If he had knowledge of the two separate issues and all he did was make Herrion apologize in an attempt to "help the player(s) get past it", then there has to be some level of accountability. 

The problem with firing him now is that transfers are already coming in expecting Gregory as the HC, and landing a viable long term replacement becomes more challenging with the timing and the circumstances. If Kelly does decide to fire Gregory, the best path may be to just give Wagers or Dixon the interim tag for the incoming season like Wichita State did with Isaac Brown. With Gregory and Herrion gone, they might have a chance to keep a couple of the guys that entered the portal.

23 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

What's to investigate?   Either he said something racist or he didn't?

For Herrion that's a simple yes or no, but the investigation will also delve into what Gregory knew and how he dealt with it, and that may be where Kelly is getting his ducks in a row. 

14 hours ago, NewEnglandBull said:

I am still thinking he survives unless Kelly takes the same moves as Cincy’s AD has apparently taken. 

Since there was some reporting that USF was looking to get out of Strong's buyout "for cause" (not sure whatever happened with that), I wonder if Kelly is trying to get his ducks in a row so he can fire Gregory for cause and avoid paying the $435k bout.

But I agree - Kelly won't fire CBG until he feels immense pressure to do so, or until he can find a way to get out of paying the buyout. 

13 hours ago, chapelbull said:

We're probably not winning more than 5 or 6 games,  but I don't see us winning less than 3.

 

But the can't miss predication is that puc and brybul will still be ******** about something...... Frisco will be egging them on and busting Trips balls, NEB will be counting fans in the stands, and Trip will be trying to keep his sanity while holding it all together

I think 4-8 is my expectation for this year. Their worst case scenario is possible if we haven't found a capable quarterback and agree with the 7-5 ceiling, but again contingent on what kind of quarterback we have. 

My second expectation, barring significant injuries, is that the team has forged an identify by the back half of the season and playing better than they were in the front half. That's it.

Other than that, I am going to take a page out of the playbook of most people on this board - keep my expectations low so I can be happy, while, of course, sprinkling in the occasional critique.

3 minutes ago, puc86 said:

So what you are trying to say is it was wrong to claim CCS should be fired when you did? Scott absolutely came into a less than optimal situation but that’s when it should be easiest to show improvement, he unfortunately showed regression and that he is a first year inexperienced coach is absolutely not his fault but it’s absolutely our fault for hiring him. Every single day is an opportunity to improve and take a step towards progress, it shouldn’t take you one year of going backwards to figure out what that first impactful step can be. It’s past time for CJS to demonstrate something and there is no reason it cannot be this year. If he was successful in year one not a single person would have been saying “it’s because of CCS and we never should have fired him”; if he can receive praise for being more successful he absolutely should receive criticism for catastrophic failure.

No. CCS was given a pretty loaded team (relative for USF) and was an arsonist who burnt the program to the ground. Scott has been left to pick up the ashes of what Strong left behind.

58 minutes ago, puc86 said:

If it takes you three years in life to show improvement in any facet of anything you are not good at it, this isn’t the one thing in life where doing 25 percent as well as the person that got fired for performance (over an entire year) is somehow doing a better job. Doing worse is never a necessary component to going forward and the only way to be moving towards improvement is to actually be demonstrating improvement. I look forward to being able to say CJS is doing a great job but it’s completely foolish to say you can’t judge winning 1 of 9 in your first year, it’s complete and total failure demonstrated at a level worse than any other failed coach in our athletic history (and remarkably close to the worst anyone has ever done in the history of college football).

@Triple Bisn't saying people need 3 years to show improvement "in any facet of anything". Recruiting and developing over 3 years is reasonable and necessary to allow HIS guys to get into HIS system, learn it and demonstrate it in games. The 3 years is a function of recruiting cycles and roster turnover, and that there are only 12 games to demonstrate applied learning in game action.

I was wrong in saying CWT should have been fired midway through his 3rd year. Scott came into a bad situation and as a first-time coach, so patience - as hard as it may be to have - is what is prudent here.

25 minutes ago, puc86 said:

I prefer to think of it as being consistent. If you think it’s bad when someone goes sub .500 then it only stands to reason that it’s bad when someone goes .1111111111111111 having only beaten a single FCS team. For perspective if we had the season canceled we would have won the exact same number of FBS wins as we had last season and in 1971 a year after having almost their entire football program killed in a plane crash Marshal won twice as many games as we did. I guess that first year coach wasn’t quite dealing with the same amount of adversity as CJS had in his first season.

Wow. Invoking the Marshall plane crash to emphasize your point, because you know, those are only comprable because they are 1st year rebuilds. You are too extreme even for me puc.

If we get a movie made about us Frankie Muniz should play Jeff Scott, Bryan Cranston can play Micheal Kelly and Bobb'e Thompson can play McCloud.

1 hour ago, chapelbull said:

Another falsehood ........ shocking 

Meant @puc86 not you. I guess you have just been on my mind a lot lately, and I have just missed you and your loving words of encouragement!

2 minutes ago, Roaming Bull said:

We just won our spring game, so things are looking way up right now

I am pretty optimistic about this upcoming season, I think 4-8 is the floor and if we can get a little lucky we might go bowling this year.

11 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

I'm not exactly sure we should be bragging about the football program just yet

@chapelbull is all over the football program like I am all over the basketball program. 

30 minutes ago, Friscobull said:

2020 is a better example but who cares now,  both entities are screwed.  

Amen brother.

18 minutes ago, Friscobull said:

I had heard on a pay site that his neighbor was an ignorant liberal PI Attorney that was annoying and had the conversational skills of a peanut and the family was concerned the ignorance was contagious so they fled.  

Proof or ban! 

8 hours ago, smazza said:

did anyone ever get a real answer to this mystery?

He is moving because he wants a different house than the one he has today.

52 minutes ago, SilverBull said:

Are we maybe better off kicking over the table and starting yet again?

100% yes start over NOW.

I don't see how a starting 5 of Murphy, Chaplin, Tchewa and whatever the portal tide washes up is going to get us to the NCAAT/NIT next season. Honestly, this team may struggle to get to double digit wins next year.

We are just delaying the inevitable.

5 hours ago, chapelbull said:

Putting CBG and CCS in the same light shows just how stupid this argument really is.  Our basketball program has been burning for 18 years (at least).   Our current coach has already shown the ability to take our program from dumpster fire to winner in just 1+ seasons.  He has had some success at 2 other D-1 programs and despite his "flaws" and these "allegations" he had the team still playing hard in the tournament.   We have 3 winning seasons in the past 18 years ..... CBG has 9 in the past 17.   He has almost as many postseason appearances in his 17 years as a head coach as we have in our entire 50 year history.   He may not end up being THE answer, but he sure isn't "burning your program to the ground".    

By the time Gregory is done here it may be just as big of a dumpster fire that what Antigua left us with. The only difference was under Gregory we had that magical 6-game run against the blue blood programs of Stony Brook, Hidden Valley Ranch U. Loyola Marymount and Big East powerhouse DePaul to win a pay-for-play tournament. I'd so the ROI on that expenditure must be pretty poor after the fact.

I've never seen a guy build something so promising so quickly and then have it go to crap so quickly. And if at the end of 4 years you don't know if he is THE answer, then you are never going to know.

1 hour ago, usfrank said:

Recent American Conf transfers and signing

Recent American Activity

3/31/2021 - South Florida 2018 C Michael Durr (7-0, 250, 3★) | Position Rank: 29 will be transferring. - Per Jake Weingarten, Stock Risers

3/30/2021 - East Carolina 2019 C Charles Coleman (7-0, 255, 3★) will be transferring.

3/30/2021 - Wichita State JUCO SF Trey Wade (6-6, 218, 2★) will be transferring.

3/30/2021 - SMU 2017 SG William Douglas (6-5, 193, 2★) will be transferring.

3/29/2021 - Temple 2017 SF J.P. Moorman II (6-7, 210, 3.5★) will be transferring to UC Riverside.

3/29/2021 - Tulsa 2021 PG Anthony Pritchard (6-2, 159, 2★) committed to Tulsa.

3/29/2021 - East Carolina JUCO SG Miles James (6-6, 215, 2★) will be transferring.

3/29/2021 - East Carolina 2018 PF Jayden Gardner (6-7, 235, 2★) will be transferring.

3/29/2021 - Wichita State JUCO PG Craig Porter, Jr. (6-2, 178, 2★) has enrolled in school and been added to the official team roster.

3/29/2021 - Wichita State 2020 SF Jaden Seymour (6-9, 191, 3★) will be transferring.

3/29/2021 - Wichita State 2018 C Isaiah Poor Bear Chandler (6-9, 250, 3★) will be transferring.

3/28/2021 - Wichita State JUCO PG Trevin Wade (5-11, 166, 2★) will be transferring to Eastern Kentucky.

3/28/2021 - Temple 2017 SF De'Vondre Perry (6-7, 220, 3★) will be transferring.

3/27/2021 - South Florida JUCO SF D.J. Patrick (6-7, -, 2★) committed to South Florida.

3/27/2021 - Tulsa JUCO SF D.J. Patrick (6-7, -, 2★) committed to South Florida.

3/27/2021 - SMU 2018 SF Feron Hunt (6-8, 195, 2★) is intending to forego his remaining eligibility in order to play professionally.

3/27/2021 - South Florida 2020 SF Sam Hines, Jr. (6-6, 210, 2★) is transfering to South Florida from Denver.

3/26/2021 - Tulane 2018 PG Gabe Watson (6-2, 180, 2★) will be transferring.

3/26/2021 - Memphis 2021 PG Hunter Sallis (6-4, 165, 4★) committed to Gonzaga.

3/26/2021 - Tulane 2019 SG Amari Davis (6-3, 170, 2★) committed to Green Bay.

3/25/2021 - East Carolina 2020 PG Noah Farrakhan (6-0, 165, 4★) | Overall Rank: 18 | Position Rank: /player_rankings/2020/position/1 will be transferring.

3/25/2021 - Tulsa 2020 PG Keshawn Williams (6-3, 175, 2★) will be transferring.

3/25/2021 - Tulsa 2019 SG Ryan Gendron (6-4, 200, 2★) will be transferring.

3/29/2021 - 2017 SG Kaiden Rice (6-6, 185, 2★) has received an offer from South Florida. - Per Link

3/26/2021 - JUCO PF DeAntoni Gordon (6-7, 200, 4★) has received an offer from South Florida.

3/24/2021 - 2022 PG Preston Murphy, Jr. (6-1, 170, 3★) has received an offer from Wichita State.

It will be interesting to see when the dust settles which players actually landed in a better situation. Some people want change so bad they don't care if its good or bad, they just want change - just look at the 2016 presidential election as a perfect example.

24 minutes ago, bcgruber said:

that is a big loss, and a surprise at this point.

So, we now stand to lose 72% of our scoring from last season, 72% of our rebounds and 71% of our assists, but by all means let's keep the unsuccessful head coach that none of these kids want to play for.

Gregory may survive the investigation, but there is no way this clown survives the disaster that we are all being set up for next season. Looking forward to seeing who Kelly hires as HC 12 months from now.

1 hour ago, Who'sYourData? said:

Thanks.  So that is a Net -5.  That doesn't sound quite as bad.  

Did the NCAA ever pass the permanent rule to allow transfers to be eligible immediately (for their first transfer)?  

Its going to be net zero once Gregory fills the remaining scholarships, but I don't think that should make anyone feel any better unless the replacements are upgrades over what we had.