i wasnt referring to us being on their level... just whether UF and FSU are still really elite.."nationwide" this will be the 4 th straight year UF doesnt go to bcs bowl.. and I know they went to the citrus at least 2x late in spurrier era. I think this makes 3 of 4 FSU wont go assuming they lose champ game.. only UM has stayed at or near the top other than last year.