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2 minutes ago, flsportsfan83 said:

I think I left Pryor and Youngblood out because they were afterthoughts. Only guy that has a shot at the NBA is Pryor. Youngblood is likely a overseas guy. Below was the exact quote.

 

 

 

"Guys, I want to say something. We have not had many players who have played in an NBA game. I think Malik Fitts was the last player to do so, and I was a big fan of his and tuned in to watch his games at St. Mary's after he left. If I had to pick any players from the current roster to make the NBA, I would pick three of them. They may not get drafted right of school, but if they work at it, like Chuck Atkins did, they could get a shot. Atkins had a pretty decent career in the NBA, despite not being that great of a player. He was good but I don't think anyone ever said, "there goes a future NBA player." He was not great in the sense that people thought of with Charlie Bradley or Radenko Dobras. He was just a very good and solid point guard that many people thought was too short to have a future in the NBA.

If anyone on this roster plays in the NBA, I think that Placer has the best chance. I think he has skills that a lot of players don't have. The other 2 players that I would say have a shot are Youngblood and Pryor. Since I have been following the Bulls in the early 80s, there have been rosters where I have said that we had a player that could potentially go to the NBA. I thought that of Bradley, Dobras, Egbunu, Fitts, and a few others. But we have never had a roster where I thought more than one player could potentially have a future in the NBA. I currently think we have three. So, that is another reason for my optimism for this season."

don't see anything wrong with those comments. he is talking possibilities. not probabilities.

sure he may have been off about Placer but everything else he said about this team has been **** near spot on.

he was certainly closer with his preseason analysis than anyone else on this board.

darn near a 180 with how you thought.

13 minutes ago, panchosanchez99 said:

No, we did not go back and forth on Placer being an NBA talent. You kept repeating that I said that he would go to the NBA; and this is what you wrote earlier in this thread. But now you are saying that I said he is an NBA talent. Saying that someone is an NBA talent is not the same as saying that he will go to the NBA. And what I said was that I believe that Placer, Pryor, and Youngblood had skills that could potentially land them there. But what you decided to do was leave out the other 2 players and then change it from potential to sure bet.

you were certainly the most bullish concerning the team. kudos to you.

If memory is correct, My interpretation when it came to what you were saying was that these three were better than most people thought.

I didn't take it to mean you literally thought they would be in the nba.

16 hours ago, SilverBull said:

How most fans see any call that goes against them in a game:

BTW, I thought the refs in the UNT game were much worse than last night.

the refs in the uab game were atrocious

24 minutes ago, Cat941 said:

 

all the networks move to streaming is going to hurt every conference's payouts (heck even major league sports) in regards to carriage fees. that includes the big 12 , sec, and big 10.

80% of espn's revenues are carriage fees.

18 minutes ago, Friscobull said:

I never said they cared but I simply think they have overestimated the following of the SEC/Big 10.  I already watch the NFL on Sunday, Saturday I follow my team and a couple teams I am connected to regionally.  I won’t stream Alabama/Georgia/Michigan/Ohio State, not because I am butt hurt but because it doesn’t interest me, and I am not alone.  In the end it is still a free country so they can do what they want, not going to really bother me one way or the other. 

I don't think they have overestimated anything. I don't think they care if you and I aren't interested.

they will take the current fans they have and suck every last dollar they can out of them and they don't want to have to share any.

23 minutes ago, Jim Johnson said:

USF is getting about $8 million from the AAC television package.

If a streaming package for USF athletics is $50 per year, that requires 160,000 subscribers... that's A LOT of people considering USF has ~20,000 season ticket holders for football and ~5,000 annual fund donors.

I think espn and the other legacy networks are running into this problem when it comes to streaming.

I believe without carriage fees from people who don't actually watch their channels, the number of subscribers would require them to charge an excessive amount.

some have said in the neighborhood of $50 per month as they believe espn will only attract 20% of the people who pay the current $10 per month on their cable carriage fees.

This whole shift to streaming is going to reduce revenues considerably in the future imo

1 hour ago, Rocky Style said:

I was thinking about this a couple years ago.  If USF is savvy, they could end up making more money this way.  

possibly. not sure of the # of season ticket holders + students  we have. probably a good indication of how many subscribers we would get.

27 minutes ago, Friscobull said:

I agree, it is not like it will be that hard, don’t remember the last time I watched the SEC game of the week or the big 10 noon games.  I liken it to hockey, I watch Dallas, a very small amount of TB and hardly anything else.  If they think they are going to get an NFL following on Saturday they are in for a rude awakening.

they are the "haves" already. they don't care about fans of the lesser programs. in fact the reason they will split off is so they don't have to share anything from their playoffs and championships.

17 hours ago, E.T. said:

We will be all streaming in the future

yep and school payouts will be decided by how many of their fans subscribe.

and they're gone.....funny people calling it a p4.

it's a p2 and they are going to breakoff.

all this big 12 ,acc, mwc nonsense doesn't matter. they aren't "power" conferences.

SEC, Big Ten form advisory group

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Southeastern Conference and Big Ten Conference announce formation of a joint advisory group of university presidents, chancellors, and athletics directors to...

9 minutes ago, 79 Bull said:

Bally Sports (Diamond Corp) is attempting to sign a deal with Amazon to show all their properties (mostly MLB and NHL) on Prime.  If that happens and Prime subs increase, I can see Amazon getting into sports in a bigger way.

Interesting that Diamond has $8B in debt they want to discharge. wow did they overpay for their sports rights.doesn't bode well for future contracts.

amazon looks to be involved as a minority investor for $155M. Picking up lot's of streaming rights on the cheap. 37 pro teams I believe.

What the new Diamond-Amazon deal means for MLB, NBA, NHL - ESPN

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On Wednesday, Diamond Sports Group announced a new deal with Amazon. What does it mean for the streaming rights of your favorite teams?

3 minutes ago, 79 Bull said:

I'm going to respectfully disagree.  I would have said that about St. Pete a couple years ago, but Tampa has now closed the gap.  It's just a bit more spread out.  So many bars and restaurants on, or a short walk from the Riverwalk and streetcar line, Water Street, Sparkman, etc.  The Rays should be in Ybor at the end of the channel.

when darryl shaw and cascade(gates) get done with developing it won't even be close.

4 minutes ago, MMW said:

That would be cool I guess but I am not a fan of paying for it either.  That being said, downtown St Pete is lightyears ahead of where downtown Tampa is as far as nightlife.

My big problem, perhaps my only problem with USF is that its off campus situation sucks.  I realize that USF is not in a college town but there is ZERO night life activities off campus.  We are forcing the students to get in a car to go to the stadium or to Ybor or wherever they go.  It is not a walkable university and it should be.  Maybe with the new stadium the area will pick up.

 

yeah count me out. I don't want to pay the taxes  for it . downtown tampa is blowing up. water street etc. the billions vinik and gates are investing down there is transforming the area.

40 minutes ago, USFBulls12 said:

ECU is one of the higher ranked team's nationally and 2nd in the AAC in 3 point defense, holding teams to 30% from 3. We handled them. I'm more concerned about one of those games where the entire team goes cold yet we've become so accustomed to hitting many 3s that we keep jacking them up and bricking everything. 

both charlotte and UNT rank just ahead of ecu in 3 point % against.

cold shooting night is going to happen. relying on 3's gives you a higher variance of outcomes.

it also gives you a better chance to win.

no team is going to win every game.

there will be those on here that think we should totally change our offensive philosophy(shoot less 3's) when it happens.

we shouldn't.

we will have to rely on our defense to win ugly on an off night shooting.

10 hours ago, flsportsfan83 said:

We both made money.

not bad for a coach who is out of his league and a bunch of lower level asun players that won't be able to compete in the big bad aac.

Nice to see the three ball still going in. almost a 50% clip over last three games.

close to 50% of are points are coming from behind the arc. offensive efficiency way up.

Charlotte and UNT defend the three very well. gonna be a tough task.

Might have to rely on our defense to win these two.

14 hours ago, Sellular1 said:

Tell them to hurry up and just take out a loan for their schooling.  It’s free and you don’t have to repay it.

we'll all just have to pay for it through higher taxes or increased inflation

12 hours ago, BDYZR said:

I would rather my taxes help pay for athletics, that I enjoy, than giving massive tax breaks for big business. That we have no choice or control over.

so you're on board with the estimated $2.4Billion giveaway to the rays then I guess. Oh wait that includes tax breaks for big business....

14 hours ago, Friscobull said:

Their financial aid is 80% less then what the more expensive schools offer, the problem is the overall cost of  tuition and not these measly fees.  Either way things will never get cheaper, only continue to inflate until eventually something bursts. The school administrations are drunk on revenue and there is no appetite to stop this madness because our government is in on the scam.  No such thing as a temporary tax, price hike or fee.  To think things will change is naive IMHO.

their athletic fees are almost 20% of the cost

15 minutes ago, BDYZR said:

Do those students choose to attend JMU? 

it's a state school funded by state and federal taxpayers.

60% of their student body gets financial aid.

the taxpayers would pay $50M less if those fees went towards the schools mission which is to educate the public.

So in a sense, you and i are partly paying for them to have a division 1 athletics program.

25 minutes ago, Friscobull said:

This is a nice thought however a tad bit idealistic and unrealistic, the horses are already out the barn, no reason to shut the door now, it solves nothing.  We can’t turn back the clock, damage has been done.

it's not idealistic or unrealistic. and no it's not too late either.

if the p2 wants minor league sports then let them break off.

let the rest of us get back to rational dealings that don't threaten to bankrupt schools.

just think of what will happen when revenue sharing comes into play.

there is a reason why there are different divisions in college athletics. those divisions have different rules and far different costs.

1 minute ago, USF_Bullsharks said:

I think a "breakaway" is a bit exaggerated, and that more likely there will be a reinvention of how the NCAA regulates institutions, student athletes, and their economics/distributions. 

...Or the Saudi's come in and make a "LIV collegiate sports", you never know. 

the ncaa is toothless. there are already different divisions for college sports. no reason why there can't be another.

the revenue disparity in FBS is ridiculous. 

OSU athletic department had $250M in revenue.

JMU had $57M. Of that $57M , $50M came from student fees. each student there pays $2,362 of mandatory fees for their athletic programs.

16 minutes ago, Rocky Style said:

I agree with you on this, but everyone is just trying to loot the corpse before the laws of economics kick in.  

Not to mention playing better teams...

This can be a dangerous game.

Personally I'd like for us to play in a league where money isn't what drives every decision.

a group of like minded schools where academics still matter and schools aren't bankrupted trying to keep up athletically with the joneses.

I hope the top half breaks off and forms their minor leagues and the rest of us come to our senses and put rules in place.

"pay" the players with an education and maybe a stipend, pay coaches and ADs a reasonable salary(something less than the president of the school) and stop trying to bleed every last cent from fans.

maybe kick back some extra cash to the school for their mission which is to educate the public

the spending on athletics has gotten beyond ridiculous.

13 hours ago, Cat941 said:

Who knows in an era of consolidation!  But then I look at what we offer and of course our geography and think to myself...aren't we a steal?  Who's going to be the lucky conference to get us?   

geography doesn't mean anything anymore.

how many subscriptions you can sell is all that matters now.

14 hours ago, 79 Bull said:

Just a reminder once again...

There are only 2 teams in all of college football that were once in a Px/BCS conference and are not in one now:  USF and UConn.  Wash St and Oregon St will join this pity party soon.  We can hash over the past and bad decisions but need to find a way forward to not be left out of the substantial tv money in the next network/streaming deals.  I like what we're doing with the OCS, facilities and getting back to winning form, but will it be enough?

eventually programs will be paid out individually based on the number of streaming subscriptions their fans buy. similar to mlb and their local tv rights.

Eventually the vandys and northwesterns of the world will be left behind financially just as the rays are left behind by the dodgers/yankees/ etc.

I think all the smaller programs clamoring for an invite will be disappointed to find no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

the free money train is ending and the live sports bubble is bursting. Just look at the diamond sports bankruptcy. amazon is picking up the streaming rights for 40 professional league teams for peanuts on the dollar.