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you can beat almost anyone if you shoot 50%+ from 3. especially if you take 23 a game.

25 minutes ago, OhioBull said:

Sadly I don’t think that helps them. The $$ difference between the ACC and the big 2 conferences is too substantial for things to remain the same. FSU and Clemson and the other big schools want to be on equal footing with them and that alone will kill it. Something needs to give and soon or college football will continue self-imploding 

what's funny is these schools have made it all about the $$.

FSU and clemson are much better off in the acc from a competitive standpoint.

they will make the playoffs far more often. they will have much better records year over year compared to playing in the sec.

only their fans will lose out.

watch what happens to  OU.

they have won the big 12 14 times since 2000 and have played in the 4 team playoffs 4 times.

That's winning your conference 60% of the time. good luck with that in sec.

Nebraska won 9 division championships in big 12 in the 14 years they were in it.

they have won 1 in the big 10 in the 12 years there and none since 2012.

that program is a shell of it's former self.

29 minutes ago, Cat941 said:

 

 

why do people assume that FSU CAN leave?

they made a public plea earlier this year saying they were ready to go and they heard crickets.

maybe the big 10 and sec have no interest

15 hours ago, Grateful Dad said:

 

You could have a player who doesn't want to stay on the team, hates the coach, and will not do their best or undermine the team.  And they have to stay so they poison the rest of the team. 

I'd like to see that idea fleshed out, though.

you could suspend them from all team activities or move them to some sort of designation similar to the medical scholarship when guys can't play anymore.

Look how many top QBs are on the move again. guy from oregon state, guy from ohio state, ucf's old qb that went to oklahoma is on the move again. it will be free agency every year if they don't come up with some solution.

23 minutes ago, Jim Johnson said:

North Carolina AG sues NCAA over transfer eligibility rules

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North Carolina Attorney General Josh Stein joined with attorneys general from across the nation in filing the suit.

 

only a matter of time before schools have to share their revenue.

I bet they could have avoided all the transfer stuff if scholarships were 4 year contracts instead of just one.

12 minutes ago, CousinRicky said:

First year all games played there. Think they had 4 "home" cities this past year. And, no, they had a draft like every other league. No one "loaded" them up for the home team. Won the titles with two different QBs. First year the starter got hurt early and he won with the backup. This year the kid that won as the backup the first year got the starting nod, got hurt, and won with the backup who was the starter the first year. 

my bad. Just assumed the league was gimmicky like pro wrestling. is he not coaching there anymore?

11 minutes ago, TheUpperHand said:

tbf The Big East only had eight teams when he was our coach and the best we finished was 5th. If he would have won that back-to-back, he'd probably be in our Hall of Fame.

very true

he coached birmingham in the usfl. all the league games were played there I believe. I think they just loaded that team to try and drive fan interest in the area.

9 minutes ago, Roaming Bull said:

He has had a hell of a career, and mostly been successful. If he wants to walk away now I wouldn’t blame him. You only live once and enjoying your time is important. 
 

If he three-peated in the USFL he has to get into some hall of fame. Back to back championships are hard to pull off, but three in a row is a greater achievement.

I think there are only 8 teams in the usfl

49 minutes ago, Jim Johnson said:

To be fair, Vanderbilt's entire enrollment is smaller than the USF student section at RayJay.

how big is our student section? this says vandy has 13,796 total students in 2021

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1 minute ago, 79 Bull said:

You are correct, sir.  Looks like 90%.

I bet it's like that for a lot of their games. I have uf friends that go every other year because nashville is a great trip.

11 minutes ago, 79 Bull said:

Georgia at Vandy was sold out.  Their capacity was 28,500 this year due to the major renovation happening.

I stand corrected. Still wouldn't want to go (0-8)2-10 year after year just so we could play an sec schedule and hope to beat uf once in awhile

1 hour ago, Peatearpan said:

A full stadium atmosphere and the annual chance to upset UF? Sign me up 

except the stadium wouldn't be full.....

nary a sellout this year. not even for #1 Georgia. barely 70% full(28,500). just another 2-10 (0-8) season for them. nothing out of the ordinary.

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22 minutes ago, puc86 said:

They aren't going to offer to exclude them just not auto include them and since that is better than any other offer the G5 will be getting and they don't want to lose out entirely they will take it with a smile on their faces, college football could not be any more obviously consolidating and becoming less equitable and pretty much everyone sees it this way. What exactly do you think expansion is about?

no one has ever been auto included until next year. not the sec. not the acc. not the big 10.

everyone but sec is on board with this.

BTW even if they go to top 12(which nobody wants but sec) g5 will have more access than ever. look back and see how many top 12 g5 teams there have been.

if you think they can exclude the entire g5 when we have 5 votes then you are sadly mistaken.

I'm assuming you meant conference consolidation not playoff expansion.

I have said in the past I believe sec and big 10 may break off eventually and form an nfl lite. maybe they take a few more teams with them.

it's the only way g5 will be excluded.

9 minutes ago, OhioBull said:

The problem with the selection committee was the hypocrisy of the entire thing.  They choose Alabama/Texas on the premise that they had a tougher SOS and thus the one loss doesn't matter.  Then, in the same breath, Liberty is chosen over SMU for the NY6 bowl even when Liberty had a SOS of 133 and an FPI of 49.  The hypocrisy of the entire system is breathtaking.  Liberty wouldn't score 2 touchdowns on SMU and would get beaten horribly.  They can't have it both ways.  Either records only matter or strength of schedules and fpi and all the metrics matter.  The whole thing is absurd.  It was a biased decision.  I am no FSU fan by any imagination but this year was as SEC biased as I had ever seen.  Just my humble opinion.

it's a mess every year. rarely does it ever work out where everyone agrees.

it's why following the nfl model where top conference winners get a spot will be nice. then the subjectivity can begin.

smu had 2 losses. if tulane had won then they would have gotten in over liberty even with 1 loss.

11 minutes ago, John Lewis said:

When the clock struck 0:00 in the 4th quarter.

I literally watched every second of the Iowa-Michigan game. If you're of the belief that FSU is basically Iowa, then I would vehemently disagree with you.

well you aren't most people. blowouts and noncompetitive games are routinely the lowest rated games.

Michigan v Bama is a 1 point spread.

Georgia v fsu is 14 points.

it sucks that they hand pick playoff reps but that will be changing somewhat  next year when top 6 conference champs are guaranteed.

then we can complain about how unfair it is that the 13th team didn't get in instead of the 5th.

31 minutes ago, puc86 said:

They already didnt have the votes and they already got an unequitable share, the P4 is making it abundantly clear that they have no issue walking away from the G5 and I am sure if anyone would not like to move with the B10 and the SEC they would be more than happy to go on without them and leave them to die with the rest of the left behinds while taking the only portions of value from them. It really is quite simple and if anyone is pretending to not get it or to think the G5 holds any power it would have to be anyone coming from your perspective.

the system is becoming more inclusive and far more equitable.

sorry you don't see it that way.

g5 will have more access than they have ever before.

sec and big 10 can walk anytime they want to and I have said i believe they will someday but that is the only way they will get out of including the g5 in an expanded playoff.

21 minutes ago, puc86 said:

you honestly don't have a clue.

Yes I have not clue where your thought process is coming from

the 2nd article stated sec commissioner wanted to go to top 12 ranked . he said nobody agreed with him.

The part where it says this at best expected to last two years. Care to bet how a new vote would go or one after someone gets left out so that a G5 team could get blown out?

heck they couldn't even get it changed to top 5 instead of top 6 conference champs for next 2 years.

That had more to do with PAC mess than anything else

you do realize the rules are made by the management committee which includes ALL of the g5 commissioners,right?

Yes, they bring no value and no one cares if they have to reorganize to get rid of their votes when they voted somehow it didnt end up every conference champion plus 2 and many people had to vote against what would theoretically be their own self interest, why?

there are now 10 voting members. 5 of those are from g5 conferences. we are no longer part of the minority.

They already werent the minority, no one cared when it was 5 to 5 and they wont care at any voting distribution because only certain people matter

the rules aren't made by sec and big 10 commissioners alone.

For the most part they absolutely will as a go forward

at this point I honestly believe you are just trolling. you can't be this oblivious.

You seem to be confused about there being a P6 and a G5 (and not that it was actually P5 and G5) by being the only person on earth that bought that marketing but noted

 

 

you still don't seem to get it.

they will never have the votes to exclude the g5. it's as simple as that.

the only thing big 10 and sec can do is walk away.

29 minutes ago, John Lewis said:

I'm not so sure about that.

Having 2 1 loss Conference Champions in the Top 4 helps the committee's selections. Putting in a 1 loss conference champion who lost the only good team they played would not have worked.

This is just my opinion, but I disagree that no one one watch FSU vs. Michigan in the Rose Bowl.

when would you turn it off?

How much of the iowa v michigan game did you watch?

14 minutes ago, puc86 said:

The second article says exactly what I said and yes they can do whatever they like because they hold every card and every G5 member knows they are being done a favor by even being allowed to put the distinction on their CV. The G5 can lose everything with not taking any bone the P4 throws them and the P4 loses nothing by telling the G5 to get lost. If you want to be diplomatic you make more favorable terms to appeal to the bottom conferences that have no allusion getting in and that is a lot better than the Nothing they would get from getting kicked to the curb by following any ridiculous plan proposed by the middle. That half the conferences got 5 spots and half the conferences got 1 should make it clear that even if all votes were created equal it was clear to everyone in the room that some votes are more equal than others.

 

you honestly don't have a clue.

the 2nd article stated sec commissioner wanted to go to top 12 ranked . he said nobody agreed with him.

heck they couldn't even get it changed to top 5 instead of top 6 conference champs for next 2 years.

you do realize the rules are made by the management committee which includes ALL of the g5 commissioners,right?

there are now 10 voting members. 5 of those are from g5 conferences. we are no longer part of the minority.

the rules aren't made by sec and big 10 commissioners alone.

at this point I honestly believe you are just trolling. you can't be this oblivious.

the only way sec or big 10 can flex their muscles is by breaking off.

oh and the only one to suggest top 12 ranked was sec.

none of the other 10 voters wanted it.

21 minutes ago, Roaming Bull said:

That loss to OK is a mulligan? Or what? FSU didn’t lose a game. The ACC only had 3 schools that were below .500. The Big 12 has UCF and 5 schools with below .500. Outside of that Bama win Texas beat basically nobody. Ok St is there other best win. FSU beat LSU and a ranked Louisville, plus most of their opponents were above .500. Texas being in over them doesn’t add up.

I get the texas argument . I really do.

unfortunately they couldn't put alabama in without texas who beat them and they weren't going to put fsu in over bama.

10 minutes ago, John Lewis said:

They ranked Georgia #6

yeah I get that but they were throwing fsu a bone. no way they wanted them in with a 3rd string qb. nobody would watch

28 minutes ago, puc86 said:

The agreement to have it this way is only for two years, they tried to modify it already and believe they will after the first time it takes place. The most it will last is two years but even that is very unlikely. The cap on the risk and loss on a NY6 game vs a spot in the playoffs is marginal vs exponential, no one is going to stay giving that up especially when it is so simple as they can just let it lapse and not give it again.

you do realize the management committee who decides the rules is made up of 10 conference commissioners and ND ,right?

that means g5 now has as many votes as the p4 + ND with the pac 12 gone.

nobody but the sec commissioner wanted the top 12 ranked teams.

hell they had to keep it at top 6 conference champs for the next two years even without pac 12 so we have an even greater chance as the top 2 g5 ranked champs will get in.

I can see them going to 5 but there is no way they can do any better unless they break off.

listen I get it, you hate our situation and think there is nothing redeeming about it. fact is we are far better off now with the expansion and more likely to make the playoffs than a lot of bottom dwellers in the p5.

there is no way they can exclude the g5 when we have 5 commissioners out of 10 votes on our side.

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2 minutes ago, Roaming Bull said:

The Big 12 seems to be worse than the ACC. The committee was just sucking up to Texas and the sec. 

Texas beat the sec champ. otherwise georgia gets in over them and fsu

28 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Is the NFL going to stop including playoff teams because of injuries? This is nonsense. I don't care for fsu but they deserve to go. Why not tell Michigan you can't go because of your sign stealing scheme you were not aware of allegedly.

there are only 4 spots. the champs from the 4 best conferences were chosen. sucks the acc was down this year.

1 hour ago, puc86 said:

You will not get it until it happens for the first time which is why we agreed to move on until the first G5 team actually makes it into the playoff in the name of fairness which will be immediately followed by a necessary rules change and the last G5 team making it into the playoff in the name of fairness. It was deemed necessary to get to that number concessions had to be made, once the number is set it will then be necessary to remove the concessions. I cannot explain it to you because you do not want to understand it, so we will wait for you to be shocked which I imagine happens fairly regularly.

funny but they have been letting a g5 into the NY6 bowls every year.

I understand that you think they will pull the rug out from under but until it actually happens you have no proof that it will. heck they could just as easily pull it out from under the acc or big 12.

playoff expansion is good for everyone. the fact that they threw a crumb (1 autobid out of 12) to the entire g5 doesn't mean a thing to them.