Bull94

Now how is it that you know that important people read this thread but you're not sure of the frequency? Aren't you the numbers guy? don't you need statistical proof? And the best way for you to get heard would be to donate to the program then maybe somebody would give a **** what you have to say. Posting on an anonymous message board is not going to do it. I'm sure you're such the philanthropist. It's a shame there's nothing left over after all of your generous giving for the underfunded Athletics program you constantly criticize. Sounds like you are a bandwagon fan if you're not willing to stick with a program through thick and thin. You want the school to take more risks by paying a coach 5 times what we currently pay. a guy that could drop dead of a heart attack at any moment. a guy with an arrest record, whose program has been on probation, doesn't graduate players, recruits kids who get arrested for all sorts of felonious acts. he would have an NCAA target on his back as soon as he signs. That's definitely taking a risk. I was embarrassed by the whole B Fisher episode. Gator friends ragged me and that was a suspended license. Imagine having to hear about a guy beating up pregnant girlfriend or a guy kidnapping and burning his roommate or a guy who was finally kicked off the team after being arrested for the 3rd time in 11 months. no thanks. I'd be the first one to drop my donation to the Bulls Club if we hire this clown. I'd refuse to fund schollies for the types of players he brings in. maybe someday we'll see "current donor" next to your name. until then who gives a rat's ass about what you think. certainly not anybody who has any influence on any decisions. hopefully the "important people" see this.

dude also recruited players that have been arrested for ****, weapons charges, assault, kidnapping beating and burning roommates, beating and throwing bottles at pregnant girlfriends,punching girlfriends in their faces, drunk driving, etc,etc. thanks but no thanks. check out thread on Cincy site for list of articles concerning huggins and his transgressions.

I'm sure Woolard is more concerned with what CURRENT donors have to say and not a bunch of internet board yahoos who claim to be the next fat cat donors. If you think important people are on this board and would use any of the opinions expressed, as a part of their decision process for something as important as a coach, by you or any of us for that matter then I'm not sure you know how the real world works. I guess you have inside info on what Woolard is or isn't looking into?? According to Brett the decision has been made and RMC isn't going anywhere. Do you keep a book of inspirational quotes on your desk? How about if you become a CURRENT average donor before you try throwing your weight around as a future fat cat donor.

CUSA may have been decent but take out Memphis and add UCONN,Cuse,Nova,GTown,WVU, PITT,SHall and others. There are 6 teams in the BE that are ahead of ANY former CUSA teams in the current standings. Seth always had average records with above average talent in an average at best conference. I think if we were playing in the old CUSA we would have a much better record then we currently have.

we don't have a PG who creates opportunities for his teammates. unfortunately our shooters aren't the type that can create a shot on their own. Buckley can't create off of the dribble and that isn't Holmes strong point either. we need a PG to be able to create good looks. drive and dish. a setup man.

I think some of the moaners (Hawaii Bull, Rocky top, beastie) have seen very few games this year(live or on TV). I doubt Woolard is too concerned with their evaluation of the job our coach is doing when they haven't seen most of them. It's obvious they haven't seen how competitive RMC has these guys playing in the best conference of all time. 9 teams will probably make the tourney this year.He's actually doing an amazing job getting these kids to play well above their potential. I'm surprised with the talent we have that we aren't blown out every night. They haven't quit on him either. It takes time to build recruiting momentum especially at a school with no basketball history in the toughest conference in the history of college basketball. He's definitely a great motivator and good x's and o's guy. Hilarious. I'm sure Woolard wants to do everything he can to please these future $1mm/year donors!! No offense to Rocky Top but I bet if he ever becomes a big time donor to a program it will be to UT. He's on a USF website, claims to be a fan, and has UT sigs everywhere. Maybe Woolard can walk into a bank and ask them to loan him the money to buyout CRM and hire huggins based on Rube's $1mm/year future donations?

Beastie, check out how this quote leads off. notice anything? That's right, you admit that these guys PLAYED. whether or not they were injured, they all still actually played. and most of them were quite effective even when injured. Imagine if Kohn(starting PG) and his backup were out for the year and first half of the year respectively then tell me how Seth overcame injuries to have such a stellar record in CUSA. Who knows how good Howard is but he is a PG and I think even you will have to admit that every team runs through the PG. He is the floor general. Most important position on the floor. Bryant was a role player. He did a little of everything well. He couldn't carry a team. I loved the way he played and wouldn't take anything away from him. He played 2 seasons for Seth. He played in 43 out of 61 games. 70% of his games. He played 2 seasons for Mac. He played in 41 of 57 games. 72% of his games. virtually identical. Good thing you weren't around to fire Pascal after his first 3 years of 20+ loss seasons. We wouldn't have made the tourney and NIT the next 3 years.

The point being, things will get better. Pascal had 3 years in a row where he lost 20+ games. 1986-87,1987-88,and 1988-89. He went to the NIT and NCAA's the next 3 years.

Those were some rough years. 8 wins, 6 wins and then 7 wins. We weren't even in the Best basketball conference of all time then either. Ahh to be back in the sunbelt. I believe we made the tourney shortly after those awful years though. good thing they stuck it out with Pascal and his 3 first years of 20+ losses.

do you know how to read? what does this mean? "Bryant was a good role player. Not a starting PG." nowhere did I say he was a PG. In fact I said he was NOT a starting PG. we lost a starting PG this year (IMO a much more important position)and his backup. When Seth lost Bryant for half a season(16 games), he was a sophmore. In fact Bryant played in 30 of 32 games the year before under your beloved Seth. Seth had players like McDonald, Baxter, Swift, Leather, Baker,Kohn,Oglesby, Brigman, and Morris all play 26 or more games out of 29 that year. Seth went 15-14 that year in the CUSA. For you to say Seth had bigger issues with injuries is completely false. Compare that to what RMC has gone through losing a starting PG before the season starts, his backup for more then half the year, his top returning scorer due to cancer,etc. Look at the stats beastie. They don't lie. Bryant missed 16 games RMC's first year. He missed a total of 18 the previous 2 years combined under Seth. In fact Bryant played a total of 43 games out of a possible 61 for Seth the 2 years before he left. Even your 1 lame example of all the injuries Seth put up with accounts for only 30% of the possible games Bryant could have played. meaning he actually played 70% of his possible games the 2 years before Seth left

I'm not sure where you are going with this but if your thought is they are only there to play sports then shouldn't they be paid? Revenue producing sports bring in quite a bit of money to these schools. In fact these coaches are paid millions of dollars for what these kids achieve on the field. It should be the coaches responsibility to get these kids ready for the real world and part of that is making sure they are educated. Why don't we just give them the option to be paid whatever their scholarship is worth per year? Heck they don't need to bother with classes at all. Might as well be semi-pro ball. not college. They should be the Temple Terrace Bulls. I'm sure there are tons of 1a student-athletes that pursue "heavy lifting" majors and would be insulted by your arrogant statement. I think LRSjr double majored. same with gerrick morris. Swift got a degree in finance I believe. in fact alot of these kids go on to grad school.

It was the 2000-2001 season that they went 18-13. They may have played hurt but they weren't out for the year. Smith, Altron, BB and Kohn missed a total of 4 games that year out of a total of 124 possible. I wonder how well Seth would have done that year if Kohn were out for the season before it started and his backup was lost for half of the season? Bryant was a good role player . Not a starting PG. sorry but Seth had no excuses for the late season collapses.

You're way off on Duke. Most of his players stay in school all 4 years. Redick and Williams are both seniors. If you think their grad rates are even comparable to Cincys then you are completely lost. How about all of the arrests that happened at Cincy and UNLV under those coaches? Does that project an image of thuggery?

If we ever have a football player arrested for **** and another on gun charges, I would expect them to be kicked off the team and kicked out of school. I believe Huggins had this happen to 2 of his players this past year. It goes to show you the quality of character that he recruits. There is a reason why Cincy fired him. and by the way, all those that don't care whether or not he graduates players, I believe there is a rule in place starting this year that takes away schollies for poor graduation rates.

what conferences do these schools play in? do you think they would have the same success in the BE? why don't you start listing NAIA schools and how they can win by busing to their games on their small budgets? this is like comparing a minor league team's record with that of a major league team. sure their payroll is lower and they get more wins in the minors but would that translate to them being successful at the major league level?

we were in the sunbelt. you think we should have the same success in the BE that we had in the sunbelt on the same budget? Everyone complains about coaches, recruiting, marketing, athletic field conditions, on campus stadiums, etc., etc. It all takes money. I'm just wondering what they are doing to be a part of the solution. I could care less if they give $50 a year as long as they are making an effort. Keep complaining beastie. that will surely solve our underfunded basketball program's problems.

all deserving charitable causes but if alumni don't donate and buy tickets then our programs will never be able to compete at this level. Unfortunately,It sounds like,from another thread, LDD doesn't contribute anything to the Bulls Club. He seems very passionate about the state of our hoops program. I just wish more alumns would realize how far $20 a month could go in building our athletics programs. numbers add up. I don't think it's too much to ask if they expect a winner. I think if he gets 5-6 wins you give him one more year. If he wins 8 then an extension. we play in a tough conference. if he can't win 5-6 then he is gone.

have a pregame tailgate with $5 all you can drink keg beer and cheap food for students.

He pointed out those 3 teams at the bottom of his response to prove a point. I called him on them. I'd also like him to prove his knowledge of their budgets if he is claiming they are smaller. I know for a fact that St John's budget is about $5 mil more than ours and they don't have a football program to fund. I'd be willing to bet Gonzaga's is substantially higher. You guys don't seem to think playing in a lesser conference provides these teams with more wins and therefore more tourney appearances? that's like comparing little league records to the majors. Why don't we start listing NAIA schools with better records? and don't tell me the A10 was better than the CUSA we played in with cincy, UofL, Marquette, DePaul, UNCC, memphis. I'm not on the inside to tell you where the money came from but I'm willing to bet it did divert some of the funds for the hoops program. I think everyone here realizes that we are commited to the football program first and foremost and it was the only reason we were invited to the BE. I'm sure you're from the real world, reub and believe that money makes the world go round. if you honestly believe we can compete with less money then perhaps I can drop my donation. good reasoning. How about you and you cohorts pull money out of your imaginary hats to help fund our bball program? why is it you expect others to do your heavy lifting? you're starting to sound like beastie.

You don't get it, moron. St Bonnies is 6-13 (0-8). how is that year in and year out? You don't think we would have a better record if we played in the A-10? maybe we should go back to the sunbelt so we can win some games for you? St Joe's 9-9 (3-5) Dayton 11-11 (3-5) and if you think Gonzaga's basketball budget is less than ours then you are smoking some good stuff. Do you honestly think their coach is paid less than Mac?

you need to give Mac 1 maybe 2 more years to prove he can get this program headed in the right direction. If things fall his way (i.e. no injuries) and we can't reasonably compete by the end of year 2 then he goes. It takes time to establish recruiting ties and convince kids that USF is willing to make the sacrifice to build a winner. can't expect him to do it overnight. interested to see how some of these transfers will work out. If Lute Olson liked Jesus, there has got to be something to that kid.

budgets have everything to do with how successful programs are. just ask Texas and their $80 mil budget. Think their porgrams could have the same success on our budget? do you think coach K from Duke would come coach us for Mac's salary? what does the size of a market have to do with success? I agree. good post BEB.

I bet our hoops budget is right there with UF !! funny stuff. Plus the fact that they play in a football conference and not the best basketball conference of all time. great comparison.

what a shocker, it was beastie posting an anti-Mac thread. By the way it's the big 10 who has a higher RPI. you had it right the first time. the big 12 sucks. not that we couldn't tell it was you with your lack of facts concerning cincy again. get that donation check in the mail beastie. we're going to need it in order to buy out Mac and hire that top notch coach you want.

I don't know. probably. You don't think the Athletic Administration may have neglected basketball in order to get football started though, huh? AA has made a greater commitment to football. Our football coach now gets paid 4-5 times what our hoops coach gets paid. look at most successful basketball programs and I bet that's not the case. i.e. Duke, Kentucky, Memephis, Cincy (with Thuggins), etc. we are a football school in one of the greatest basketball conferences of all time.