Cubanbull

Here is the problem I see. In Golesh system you run the ball and throw deep.

We lack the WRs to get open deep and OLine to give QB enough time. So

#1 Does he stick with his offense and as he says keep building for future.

or

#2 Does he adjust his offense to deal with current talent.

I believe Taggart also faced that question early on.

Rice is a critical game. They are 2-1 losing to Texas and beating Houston and Texas Southern. They have a decent QB in Daniel’s from Georgia. If we can win that one the next two @ Navy and @ UAB are all winnable if our defense plays as they did yesterday.

1 minute ago, jg233 said:

The problem is that Golesh wants to throw downfield and we have the worst receiver room in FBS.  Atkins is the only one that gets open and that's only on short routes. Throwing when no one is open is not a recipe for success, especially against Bama.  The play calling needs to get a lot more creative.  They should be rolling him out most of the time on pass plays.  When all your choices are poor, it's gonna be tough making decisions. 

I think you hit it right on the nail. Golesh game plan is run the ball and throw deep to stretch defense. Problem is we don’t have the OLine to give that time nor the WRs to go deep and catch them. I think K. Brown did it once but not consistently. 
Even in shorter routes our WRs struggle to get open and catch the ball. 
This will be a struggle going on when we can’t run the ball. The good part is no one left in our schedule has that Bama defense we faced yesterday.

We should be able to sell out the new stadium and create a demand for tickets.

It will be interesting to see if the new stadium will have one open grassy  end zone area that could accommodate extra students to game.

18 minutes ago, CousinRicky said:

No games are easy for us, even FAMU

Well that’s to be expected for a team that has only won 1 FBS game in three years and lost many of their best players to portal.

Just glad we are 1-1 and been competitive in both games with way more energy’s than I have seen in quite awhile

I’m hoping we continue to show improvement and that we get no one hurt. If we stay in game with them I’ll be amazed. We need to be ready to go on a win streak after that game with Rice,Navy and UAB. None of those three are easy games but they are winnable.

USF needs to align themselves with SMU,Tulane,Memphis and the PAC4.

The Big12 isn’t coming for us.

The ACC will lose FSU and Clemson who knows when, but when it does it will be ripped apart. Might be only Syracuse,BC,WF and one other left.

7 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I'd Almost  be sad if the aac died.

I wouldn’t count on it yet. The longer Stanford keeps trying to find other places to land and waits to go forward with rebuilding the harder it will be to get teams to move.

At Four they need to add at least 4, I would say 5 for next year to have at least an 8 game conference schedule.

MWC schools would have to pay 34 million to exit. Don’t see that option for year 1

So really they need to raid AAC, those schools would have to pay an 18+ million exit fee.

Does anyone take that jump without a media deal? How about a GOR or some type of proof that Stanford and others don’t bail after first year?

So the longer this goes the most likely they have to merge with AAC.

7 minutes ago, Gismo said:

I don’t think USF makes sense just because of geography. What would this new conference look like? 
 

 

If they are adding 4-6 teams from the AAC for an Eastern Wing. We would fit and go along probably: SMU,Tulane,Rice or Memphis.

WEST: Oregon State,Washington State, California,Stanford,SDSU, Colorado State

EAST: SMU,Tulane,Rice,Memphis, USF, UAB

Starting to look like the PAC4 are going to poach at least 4 from AAC. Kelly and our President better be on the phone with Stanford. Looks like the Tree is making the decisions.

17 minutes ago, belgianbull said:

Yes, it would be smart for the ACC to do something proactive with the anticipation of losing FSU and Clemson. The good thing about the Big 12 expansion is that it renders that conference pretty stable. Unlikely that the ACC would be able to poach Big 12 teams at this point.

The ACC adding USF, Tulane, and Memphis would make sense in my opinion.

Unfortunately adding USF while FSU still there would probably be used by their supporters as another reason to bail. This is why USF should really be working hard to get into the PAC4 + AAC teams and form that 12-14 team league later on that league could add the ACC left overs.

The way things are going the ACC could completely come apart if FSU and Clemson break the GOR.

USF needs to find a home in whatever league has the next best group 

Just now, Mission9 said:

Exactly. The average fan knows the PAC 4 and might have trouble naming 4 in the AAC. Our fans have been making a mistake for 10 years assuming that USF is somehow a shoo-in for the coveted invite. Even if it is not called "power" it will be better than what we have now. Waiting around for dominos to fall your way often leaves one left out.

 

Correct if we aren’t talking with the PAC4 about being part of AAC moving there, we are failing. 

1 hour ago, I like GOOOOLD (and green) said:

As we all would…but unfortunately the moment the GOR gets opened up for FSU/Clemson about 7 other schools will bolt as well, leaving only Syracuse, Wake, and BC to pick up the pieces.  At that point those schools will probably go to big east and drop football or join aac.  There’s no such thing as the ACC losing just FSU and Clemson-the conference is snake bitten and will die.  

AAC needs to be proactive and look west, maybe grab CSU and AF then let the dominos fall on the rest of the mw conference and reassess.  I don’t think tv partners are interested in spending any new money out west.  Having contract in hand is gold for the aac.

That’s the fear that it won’t be just FSU and Clemson leaving. The AAC having an ESPN contract that can be opened if right teams come in, is a big tool for Aresco in reaching out to PAC4. Could offer a merger keeping the PAC name and A5 title. Travel for those 4 could be kept to Texas schools and Tulsa. Let’s see if Aresco can pull this one out.

The ACC now knows it must expand. They don’t want to get short handed as the PAC did. They need to move an add USF and UConn at the very least.

So Immsure before we accept anything out west we remind ACC we are ready to go with them first

Just now, UCF_rustbucket said:

It's a solid league. The problem is that the PAC needs teams in 2024, so any MWC adds will have to start with that $34M fee and try to negotiate it down. The AAC teams would have to pay at least the $18M we paid while giving the AAC significantly less notice. All of this to earn maybe $10M to $15M a year.

Which is why they will need a complete Eastern Wing for 2024. Remember that for2024 they are still part of the P5 bowl deal that’s almost 5 million per team from CFP. The 17-18 million can be paid over years as those that left early. They need teams so pretty sure they would need to offer full shares.

2 minutes ago, goingbackbull said:

I'm calling it right now. The ACC is going to allow FSU, Clemson, Virginia, and UNC leave. (I'm still not convinced FSU has a place)  They will pay the conference $20 mill a year for 10 years.   New schools USF, UNCONN, ECU and West Virginia take their spots   Thats $800 mill for the remaining 10 schools, plus new schools get get reduced income for 5 years., so they make a little more.  

West Virginia isn’t leaving B12 for ACC they signed a long term GOR

We need to see how the PAC adds after this but with four left, they must expand. 
if they go something like this

WEST: Washington State,Oregon State, Cal, Stanford, SDSU, Colorado State, Air Force

EAST: SMU, Rice, Memphis, Tulane, USF, Navy/ Wichita State, UAB

that would be attractive, limit travel west and still put the league as top 5, an improvement on where we are.

9 minutes ago, dausfbulls11 said:

SEC and BIG TEN are about to raid the ACC, 3 mega conferences, ucf is in we are out but likely will be in conference with Wake and maybe and maybe 1 or 2 others left from ACC…::

There will be TWO Mega conferences SEC and BigTen. They will have all the big name schools. The Big12 will be third but they will be made up of everyone the big2 didn’t want. USF will end up in a similar league closer toBig12

41 minutes ago, UCF_rustbucket said:

Most likely the ACC. The PAC is too depleted to be worth a cross country membership.

Both will be depleted and will have to add AAC and MWC schools. It all depends on the timing. If the PAC is down to four Oregon State,Washington State,Stanford and California they will have to add schools and most likely also form an eastern wing from AAC schools. If they can get 12-15 million for a 12-14 league, that’s twice what we currently make, gets us in a league with Stanford and California good academics and if they make an eastern wing we would be mostly traveling to AAC schools.

Wecant be waiting for something down the road.

Well that leaves FSU and Clemson as the last two big gets outside of BigTen and SEC. I’m not counting Notre Dame. So that P2 split could be coming sooner than most of us thought.

So it looks like for USF it might be a depleted ACC or PAC. Most likely the first. But it depends on who would be left there if FSU and Clemson leave.

5 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

I would rather be located east than west when It comes to sports so USF and a watered down ACC or AAC has that going for us. Say AAC loses SMU I hope they are replaced by an eastern team like Liberty, Marshall, Georgia St, App State, etc 

At this point if the PAC blows up with only OSU and WSU are left. One of best move for those left over is a best of MWC/AAC league.

WEST: Oregon St,Washington State,Boise,Fresno,SDSU,Air Force, Colorado St

EAST: SMU,UTSA,Tulane,Memphis,USF,ECU,Navy/Wichita St

You could do a mix ESPN/ Apple deal there for close to 15 million

Would be better deal unless ACC comes calling if only FSU/ Clemson left.

Eventually money will dry out except for the SEC and BigTen the rest will get less but be in big national conferences. Only a matter of time before football gets separated from other sports for those outside of the P2

11 minutes ago, Jim Johnson said:

I am not sure that is going to fly... otherwise, why would FSU bother?  They want out of the ACC to get more money on an equal or near-equal footing with B1G/SEC teams.

In that scenario they would get some extra money from BigTen for their away Conference games which would now be covered by BigTen contract.

Look I don’t have all the answers,nor am I saying that’s what’s happening. I’m just proposing a possible reason for it.

We know FSU/ Clemson want out. This would be a way for all to get something out of it.

FSU/ Clemson get into BigTen. Get the ESPN money plus a bit more from BigTen contract for their away conference games on BT networks.

ACC gets the exit fees, which I’m sure will be high. Gets them to guarantee them playing 1-2 games a year till 2036 vs them. Gets their TV contract as is and with the addition of two more schools. Same amount from ESPN. Those two schools might take less so more for remaining schools.

ESPN for 60 million gets FSU/ Clemson home games till 2036 and thus gets 4 games each vs BigTen schools. Getting back into BT without a huge expense. It would had cost them way more than 60 a million to get BT piece plus no guarantee it would had been a big name.

4 minutes ago, Jim Johnson said:

For what it's worth, I believe the Aug 15 is to leave in two years (2025)... so it's not a hard deadline if they want to leave in 2026.

 

Why would ESPN pay $30 million more to broadcast 10-12 games like Purdue @ FSU or Indiana @ Clemson ?  ESPN was offered a small part of the B1G deal for about that rate and they said no ... but people (you're not the only one) are thinking they are finding a way to work back in?

I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem to me to be logical that ESPN is driving this.  Rather, I think ESPN sees the possibility of teams leaving as a way to get money.  FSU, Clemson, etc would pay some amount of $$$ to "buy out" their GOR - money that would go to the ACC and then to ESPN.  Plus ESPN could also reduce the ACC contract with some of the big names being replaced by smaller brands.

 

Two things. First off it gets them into BigTen content with two  big names at a lower cost than what they would have to pay BigTen, because they weren’t paying BigTen 60 million it was much more and they would likely be getting Indiana vs Purdue instead.

Im going to say they will guarantee the ACC same amount no loss of money would make them more likely to go along.

Finally don’t be surprised if FSU and Clemson have to play at least one game a year vs ACC till 2036. Guess who covers that game ESPN

Just now, Cat941 said:

Are they going to get PNW schools to fill the slots vacated by FSU and Clemson if they are moving on?  Oregon and Wash in the ACC!?   Nationwide just like the B10 with their two schools on the West Coast in LA.   Will the ACC care about adding back a FL team then?   

The talk is Oregon/ Washington and FSU/ Clemson to BigTen

Keep those fingers crossed and candles lit that if FSU and Clemson exit ACC, the Bulls slide in