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4 hours ago, E.T. said:

Can't wait to see how the O-Line develops.

I can’t wait to see how the DL developes. Especially after this recruiting class. Although some of them will need a few years 

13 hours ago, Brad said:

I tend to think he was never as delusional as the rest of the gang.

This, plus I think UCF was just a means to an end for him. Some might say the same thing about USF and Taggart but why hold up the charade now?

I am starting to question this. I can't find anything on this kid. he doesn't show up on Max preps or Hudl from what I can tell.  this is all I can find on him 

2019 – Anthony Prospere, DB, Deerfield Beach

BULLS INCREASE TOTAL TO 75 GRADUATES FOR 2017-18

I am bringing my nephew up to the third hitting session that USF is putting on starting on Sunday. Has anyone took a player to the first two or maybe one from last year, I don't know how many years they have been doing it but I just wanted to know if anyone knew what to expect. 

http://collegebaseballcamps.com/usfbaseball/

Any innovators out there willing to take a crack at the type of protection Pitcher are asking for here? 

I can't think of way to protect the head of a pitcher without there some sort of discomfort. 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2772992-just-so-i-dont-die-mlb-superstars-crave-more-protection

BA has him at 5 

Baseball America top 500 prospects

3 hours ago, Bourbon Bull said:

Early in the season. I didn't know who he was. Kids kept coming up to him asking for his autograph.  My wife noted an Atlanta belt on him and I put 2 and 2 together.  Started chatting a bit.  He was there to see Shane.  When they took him from the game Bobby left and as he walked away I asked what he thought. It was kind of "meh". Doesn't mean the Braves won't draft him.

I'm not sure if Bobby Cox would be the type to show an emotion either way. Especially if he is scouting for the Braves. He probably just would have liked to have seen him last longer in the start. Also, if he watched him on March 23, it wasn't a very good showing. 

USF vs UCONN 3/23

I’ll make you a deal. I’ll just assume anything you post from here on out, is not intended for me to read or respond to, and I’ll do the same for you. That way TBP doesn’t have to deal with this anymore. 

7 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

lol, really?   you're passive aggressive attacks (with false statements no less) really drive the final nails in the coffin of your piss poor arguments

My piss poor arguments are twice as good yours. I’m not even sure what your argument is. One minutes stats exists for a reason, the next minute, If you look at the stats you’re looking at them in a vacuume. It’s a hard to follow. 

9 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

Looking at any stat in a vacuum is universally poor analysis

And you’re amazing at making excuses for pitchers

33 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

Of course stats are inflated and books are cooked.  It's called home cooking and it happens to different extents at all levels.  I've been around the high school game for over 20 years myself so save the "I know because I've seen it" stuff.  Stats are relevant for a number of reasons.  Hell, the level of competition varies greatly across classifications and areas of the state/country so that inflates statistics as well.  Point is that 1 earned run in 70.2 innings is impressive and there's no need to quantify it.  And the total number of runs given up **** sure isn't a better indicator of ability.  Bottom line is no one is being recruited or drafted based on their ERA or any other high school stat and you shouldn't be looking at any one state to assess someone's ability.  There's 10 pages of me trying to explain that someone on this board (oh the irony).

So have I and **** well through a fit when the numbers were corrected by the coaching staff

High school and college are two completely different animals so our discussion on SM is completely irrelevant. Hey if think the kid amazing by all means 

7 minutes ago, Brad said:

#metoo

Saw a high school kid’s Dad keeping team stats for MaxPreps; outright inflating his kid’s numbers.  Never would have  suspected him either.  

The struggle to get kids recruited is real......for some

2 minutes ago, JTrue said:

Believe me or don't, but I coached at Palm Beach Gardens and Stoneman Douglas, two VERY good high school baseball programs and we cooked the books consistently. If I were guessing, I'd say our stats were in the neighborhood of 10%-15% inflated. Stolen bases that shouldn't have been counted. Keeping errors off of guys we wanted to protect, giving errors elsewhere to keep an ERA down. Base hits that were definitely errors by the other team. Stuff like that.

 its a very common practice. We use Game Changer which makes it a little harder to cook them. I think a lot of schools are going that route because it keeps a much more in-depth look at the numbers and you can manage who can see them, you can also have them automatically uploaded to max preps but they can obviously be edited because the score book doesn't get uploaded. 

2 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

Probably can't use that because someone's neighbor's uncle's ex wife may be cooking the books

You can trust these numbers all you want to. But i've seen how they get put in and I just don't think we live in very honest society when it comes to trying to get ahead.  

14 minutes ago, Brad said:

How about whip and k/9ip?

A quick calculation would put his whip at about .78 ( 39 hits, 12 BB, over 70.2) which is pretty good. but again, as team they have 46 E's as a team, so you have to question how many were truly E's. 

he averages 8 k per 7 innings. again pretty good, not out of this world. 

2 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

Why is runs against good if all the runs are being scored off errors and defensive miscues?  1 earned run in 70.2 earnings is pretty **** good, I don't care who's daddy is keeping Gamechanger.

No one said "all", just enough to pad the numbers. Of his 7 unearned runs who's to say that five of them were earned just not put in that way? I've said throughout this whole thread that he does seem to be pretty good. But I don't think we have the fourth best High school pitcher in the state (which is where his ERA ranks). We probably have closer to a solid top 20 pitcher in the state ( which is where his total runs against ranks and strikeouts would put him). Meaning he is a quality D1 recruit, not a guy we should worried about losing to the draft. 

But again they are all just numbers that someone put into a website, nothing more. 

1 minute ago, JTrue said:

he "official" scorer is someone's dad sitting in a lawn chair.

This was going to be my next point. all the number are put in by someone who is biased, in some way. To put it in perspective, 63 FL pitchers have sub 1 ERA's and 179 nationwide. Are we really going to assume there are that many stud pitchers? Runs against is good because the scores have to be officially put in so its harder to go around that number, although some do by just not inputting in the stats part. 

I'm not saying he is  a bad pitcher, just that ERA doesn't do much to separate pretenders from contenders in HS. 

1 hour ago, Brad said:

Dave got me thinking baseball while I had a chance to surf a bit, here is a recent MLB mock draft of first round, Shane McClanahan may have slipped a bit, but still an early pick.

Projections for all 30 first-round Draft picks

 

8. Braves: Shane McClanahan, LHP, South Florida

Last year, the Braves went the college arm route and were thrilled to have Kyle Wright available for them to take. McClanahan is a lefty with power stuff that will play at the next level. High school bats like Kelenic or Arizona-area third baseman Nolan Gorman also get brought up, as do the top two prep arms already off the board in this mock.

 

I'm sure TBP has some Braves fans that will be happy to see this.

 

 

Preseason had him at 3, but everything i've seen since has him in this range. Braves have a ton of young talent coming up right now. they should be pretty good here in next five years. 

3 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

That wouldn't be "no" earned runs.

I get what you're trying to say, but it doesn't really apply.  Maybe if the guy was 0-10 with only 1 earned run

I meant to change "after the first batter" to "after the second out" which would make the statement true. I'm just saying there are a lot of High School pitchers who can't break a light bulb on a brick wall with sub 1.50 ERA's, I see this every year. If you look at ERA's for HS pitchers, you're gonna get burned more often than not. 

5 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

That's the point of an ERA 

Right but one error might happen after the first batter and then pitcher proceeds to give up four hits and three additional runs. the pitcher still leaves with no earned runs but that doesn't tell the story.  In college where E's are less common, ERA is a better stat to look at, but when looking at high school pitchers, you will find a lot bad HS pitchers with good ERAs because its pretty typical for HS to have at least one error per game. 

I like to look at runs against period, Earned or not, but a lot of people think that's un-fair to the pitcher. I take the approach as your job to get soft contact and get out of innings even when the defense gives up and extra out.  

this kid only has 7 total Runs against, that pretty fantastic over the course of ten starts.  But the number of .010 would suggest that he is a world beater and that's probably not true.