Plantation Pete

And they're not not tearing down the Athletics building or bulldozing the practice fields. This thread is indeed a little bit of an over reaction ... Again...In college football perception is reality. All the facilities in the world will do little, if any, good if you can't convince top recruits being a Bull would be a good move for them without a winning coach and program. And good lucking convincing a winning coach that taking the job at USF won't end his career. .

But...but...but...Three years ago it was all so clear to you. Get rid of Leavitt and things would be so much better. The Bulls would win Big East Championships if Leavitt was gone. Now, rather than admit your were wrong, you are reduced to BLAMING THE SENIORS! Truly pathetic.

aka re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Oh, it can get worse...The Bulls will have even fewer moral victories.

Who?? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1387642-heisman-watch-2012-power-ranking-top-candidates-heading-into-week-10

You know, like "The World's Largest Cocktail Party!" I like: "Battle for the Bottom of the Big East Heap!" What's your hook? .

What's the deal with all these repetitive threads? How many threads do there need to be of the same things? If someone needs to be fired then it is the Moderators of this message board who obviously are asleep at the wheel. The board needs cleaning up badly. At least 90% of these FB related threads can be grouped together to form one that then can be pinned at the top. What do you want to talk about then? Talk about the upcoming game. O-kay...The Battle of the Big East Cellar Dwellers should really be exciting! What do you think the attendance will be?

At the end of the year Cosh will be the sacrificial lamb and Holtz will stay because Woolard is desperate to not admit he ****** it all up. Holtz will lose again next year and both Woolard, Holtz and possibly Genshaft will be shown the door. It would be best if the Trustees just fire everyone now and start over. The sooner they hire a new president the better so they can hire a new AD, then the AD can hire a new coach. That won't happen, though, and the incompetence will continue.

The game has passed Jimmy Johnson by. He's 69 yrs old and last coached CFB in 1988. Kids will not relate to someone that has been out of FB that long. What they know of him is that he's the other kooky guy along with Bradshaw on FOX NFL Sunday shows. Bill Snyder is 73. Has the game passed him by as well? Bill Snyder hasn't been out of CFB since 1988 either. The fire in Johnson's belly has burned out long ago. Snyder just needed to recharge his battery which is why he left KSU for a few years before returning. When Snyder "retired" at K-State at the end of the 2005 season after going 4-7 in 2004 and 5-6 in 2005. His first choice to succeed himself as HC was Jim Leavitt, but Hurricane Wilma might be credited for Leavitt turning him down and remaining at USF. The WVU game was postponed from October 22nd to the end of the year extending the Bulls' regular season to December 3rd. Snyder kept pressing Leavitt for an answer, but Leavitt kept putting him off and until after the WVU game. Finally, Snyder gave Leavitt an ultimatum along with an $8 million contract offer to make a decision before the WVU game. Leavitt told him no and the rest is history. In retrospect Leavitt should have bolted from USF but he was dumb enough to be loyal and stay. .

Please stop! Just stop! Logic and reality have absolutely no place on this board! Haha fire holtz now and steal Meyer away from Ohio State! i heard he can recruit well in Florida Is that better? Well...It's actually more realistic than Jimmy Johnson. It has a snowball's chance in Hell of happening, but it is slightly more realistic. .

Please stop! Just stop! Logic and reality have absolutely no place on this board!

I know, but my evil twin likes tormenting the kids that ride the short bus.

The game has passed Jimmy Johnson by. He's 69 yrs old and last coached CFB in 1988. Kids will not relate to someone that has been out of FB that long. What they know of him is that he's the other kooky guy along with Bradshaw on FOX NFL Sunday shows. Bill Snyder is 73. Has the game passed him by as well?

So who's going to fix the root problem and make a change in the Admin?

You and others need to be realistic. Jimmy Johnson wouldn't bother to return Woolard's phone calls. . .

smazza...You axed for it and you got it on January 8, 2009. Now put on your big girl panties own up to your choice.

What is it that you say Leavitt did, win?

So...According to you, slick...Nothing is Skip's fault. Let me guess...You're going to vote for Obama...again.

he's an expert on stupid comments. So you agree with slick this collapse is the fault of the seniors? So anything you don't agree with is stupid? My 9 year old acts the same way. C'mon, slick...I'm waiting for you to 'splain it to me. “Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.†Robert Heinlein Slick...I'm waiting for you to defend your really stupid comment. Is Skip so weak he can't stand up to a group of college students? Is that what you're saying?

he's an expert on stupid comments. So you agree with slick this collapse is the fault of the seniors? So anything you don't agree with is stupid? My 9 year old acts the same way. C'mon, slick...I'm waiting for you to 'splain it to me.

Hilarious. The man went from a trailer park to BCS #2 status in 10 years. Yeah, thats all Leavitt worked for. Be correct. 9-4 season. The idea of this program being destroyed is stupid. Is Skip the right guy? No, doesn't look like it. But, that doesn't mean there isn't some coach who can come in and get this train running. Joe I tend to want to agree with you but i can't ignore what it happening here. Integrity, foundation, reputation (insert here) it's getting beat up...there is a difference between a bad season and insanity and we have moved into insanity as we continue to lose in the same fashion over and over without correcting the problems. Hard to do when you don't remove the problem(s) The main problem, the starters, will be removed next season at many positions. slick...You've made some pretty stupid comments over and over on this board but this one has to take the Booby Prize. If the seniors aren't good enough to start, then why is Skip starting them?? DOH! http://en.wikipedia....iki/Booby_prize What qualifies you to know what a stupid comment is? You've made knee jerk comments all over this website with zero qualifications on their validity. Do I have to hold your hand and explain why seniors are starters? Really? LOL! Yeah, slick...Hold my hand and explain to me why seniors are starters!

and all it took was a chokeslap In reality, it was a chokeslap that never happened. What it really took was Doug Woolard orchestrating a lynching. we all read the reports with poorly redacted names. revisionist history is better known as mythology. And who wrote that report? Hmmm? i believe there was an independent investigator. Leavitt contradicted himself multiple times. multiple students contradicted his account. no need to rehash this ********. Leavitt screwed himself and needed to go. the fact that Skip is epic garbage does not change the facts surrounding Leavitt's termination. the TERRIBLE decision to hire coach in no way means Leavitt's termination was unjustified. Leavit NEVER contradicted himself because he was NEVER interviewed! He was NEVER asked for his version of the story! It was an orchestrated lynching, plain and simple.

he's an expert on stupid comments. So you agree with slick this collapse is the fault of the seniors?

and all it took was a chokeslap In reality, it was a chokeslap that never happened. What it really took was Doug Woolard orchestrating a lynching. we all read the reports with poorly redacted names. revisionist history is better known as mythology. And who wrote that report? Hmmm? i believe there was an independent investigator. Leavitt contradicted himself multiple times. multiple students contradicted his account. no need to rehash this ********. Leavitt screwed himself and needed to go. the fact that Skip is epic garbage does not change the facts surrounding Leavitt's termination. the TERRIBLE decision to hire coach in no way means Leavitt's termination was unjustified. Oh, my...You bought into the whole enchilada. First, there was no indedpendent investigation. There was no investigation at all. The hatchet man was Thomas Gonzales of the law firm of Thompson, Sizemore, Gonzales and Hearing, Hearing, P.A. From their web site... I. Introduction At Thompson, Sizemore, Gonzalez & Hearing we limit our practice to management-side labor and employment law. We are dedicated to providing high-quality legal services in a cost-effective manner to the owners and managers of businesses and to governmental entities. We assist our clients in managing their employees, help our clients deal with labor organizations, and represent them before courts and agencies that regulate any aspect of the employment relationship. We believe in helping our clients prevent legal problems by having sound personnel policies and practices, including effective training programs for their managers. When our clients are faced with litigation, we defend their interests vigorously with the goal of extricating them from the court system at the earliest opportunity with the best possible result and at the lowest cost. http://www.tsghlaw.com/practice.html

Hilarious. The man went from a trailer park to BCS #2 status in 10 years. Yeah, thats all Leavitt worked for. Be correct. 9-4 season. The idea of this program being destroyed is stupid. Is Skip the right guy? No, doesn't look like it. But, that doesn't mean there isn't some coach who can come in and get this train running. Joe I tend to want to agree with you but i can't ignore what it happening here. Integrity, foundation, reputation (insert here) it's getting beat up...there is a difference between a bad season and insanity and we have moved into insanity as we continue to lose in the same fashion over and over without correcting the problems. Hard to do when you don't remove the problem(s) The main problem, the starters, will be removed next season at many positions. slick...You've made some pretty stupid comments over and over on this board but this one has to take the Booby Prize. If the seniors aren't good enough to start, then why is Skip starting them?? DOH! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booby_prize