Plantation Pete

Leavitt had peaked.... we weren't going to get any higher with him here. That's just your uinformed opinion. Please give us some stats, someone with some college football knowledge. According to you Leavitt should have easily won a NC for USF.

25-26 with Conference USA talent. Anyone who thinks you can go from zero and nothing in a few short years then suddenly dominate a Div. 1 conference is simply delusional.

Point of Order: Had USF lost to FSU then they would have bee 8-5. Your anti Leavitt ******** is duly noted, though. I'm not anti Leavitt. I'm realistic. Naw...You want to diminish what a big win it was against one of the "Florida Big 3" by an upstart program with a redshirt freshman in his first start at QB. No, it was not the best year for FSU, but they are still a long established program with a deep history. It was a big, emotional win no matter how you slice it or dice it. Leavitt was in over his head as well. Really? How so? Please expand on that with specifics. PS...In 2010 Clemson was 4-4 in the ACC and ended the year 6-7. Hardly impressive.

Disagree to a certain extent. I don't think the previous staff would have even seen a 5-7 season overall while in the Big East. Leavitt went 2-5 his last year in the BE. Not sure he would have sunk this far, but the trend was there. No, in 2009 it was 3-4 when the Big East was at its peak with the final polls showing Cincy #8, Pit #15 and WVU #25. WVU would have been ranked higher, but their loss to USF was a wet blanket on that. Now what kind of trend do you see for Skip? 2010...3-4; 2011...1-6; 2012...0-1

Point of Order: Had USF lost to FSU then they would have bee 8-5. Your anti Leavitt ******** is duly noted, though. I'm not anti Leavitt. I'm realistic. Naw...You want to diminish what a big win it was against one of the "Florida Big 3" by an upstart program with a redshirt freshman in his first start at QB. No, it was not the best year for FSU, but they are still a long established program with a deep history. It was a big, emotional win no matter how you slice it or dice it.

Point of Order: Had USF lost to FSU then they would have bee 8-5. Your anti Leavitt ******** is duly noted, though.

A blind sow has to find more than just one acorn to stay fat.

Let me see if I've got this straight... You want to fire the son of a great college football coach so we can hire the brother of a great football coach? Have I got that right?

A young, redshirt freshman was given one week to prepare for the biggest game of his life in front of friends and family in his hometown after the Big East's career total offense leader went down with a season ending injury. Daniels answered the call and ran for 126 yards, threw two touchdown passes and accounted for 341 of USF's 368 yards of offense. Daniels was largely ignored by FSU, but Leavitt and the USF coaching staff saw a diamond in the rough and plucked him out of Tallhassee. ''It's a great story, a quarterback coming back home,'' Leavitt said. ''Those things don't happen all the time, but it did today. It did today.''

It's just basic human nature and the predictable behavior of the incompetent, especially true in Academia.

That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection. Thanks for the laugh! It was apropos, but I think it was memories of that movie the made me LOL!

You may be on to something...Michigan is looking for a Homecoming opponent.

I thought the topic was how much I know about college football?

No, I didn't. Tonight was first time I have ever called him that. Have you ever considered I just may be a K-State Alum? Yep, you must be a K-State alumus because our conversation flew 30,000 feet over your head. Never mind go about your business. Naw...Nothing you can talk about is over my head. I've forgotten more about college football than you will ever know.

It's no fun just being a homer on a messageboard. cmhater got what he wanted and now I want remind him how he got what he axed for. This is kind of the microcosm we have here of two distinctly different camps and why they're so so pissed off right now. Youse guys are pissed because you think CJL got a bum rap and was run off under nefarious circumstances and now we're paying for it. Hatter's camp is pissed because they thought CJL was holding back the program and all we needed was to get rid of him and we'd soar and apparently that wasn't the whole problem ... Fun times. I don't *think* he got a bum rap, I *know* he did. It's bad enough how shamelessly he was shanghaied, but the worst part is I believe USF will NEVER get back to the level of play under Leavitt...NEVER! Division II here we come!

No, I didn't. Tonight was first time I have ever called him that. Have you ever considered I just may be a K-State Alum?

Is Trip funny ha, ha or funny strange?

Have you checked IP addresses? Go for it.

It's no fun just being a homer on a messageboard. cmhater got what he wanted and now I want remind him how he got what he axed for.

How influenced? What does that mean?

Here we go with the wild accusations and false statements.

Boise State started as a junior college and expanded to a four year institution in 1968 and played as an NAIA independent for two years. They began NCAA Division II play in 1970, Division 1-AA in 1978 and then Division I in 1996. Yes, an overnight success that begun during LBJ's Presidency.

Please name another program that accomplished as much in such a short period of time as what Leavitt did for the Bulls. Please name another coach who has won the Big East with a team that wasn't already made. UCONN UCONN? You mean the team that was established in 1896? A team that played 1-AA for decades before they began their 2 year transition to 1-A in 2000, played another 2 full years of 1-A before they joined the Big East in 2004 and then won the a share of the conference title in 2007? Is that the team you're referring to?

Please name another program that accomplished as much in such a short period of time as what Leavitt did for the Bulls. Please name another coach who has won the Big East with a team that wasn't already made.

is there are a lot of incompetent, unqualified people with oversized egos that are in charge and making major decisions. When their incompetence is exposed, they will play the "Be Loyal to Your School" card and infer anyone that criticizes their decisions are not loyal fans. The reality is these folks are just hired guns that will most likely be moving on when the next best opportunity presents itself or they see the handwriting on the wall. In business the CEO would be sacked if the company was failing and going the wrong direction. It's not a matter of being true to your school, it's just business and what you have to do to change the direction and mindset of the company. The average college fan and alum usually have no idea how to do this, so they just run around like chickens with their heads cut off flailing their arms and arguing with each other. That's why big donors have the most say, one because they are big donors and have the most access to Administration, and two because they are usually successful business people who hopefully have some insight into making management changes. The problem with that, though, is these big donors may know a lot about selling steaks and baked potatoes, but they really don't know anything about sports management. Bottom line: The Bulls were going the right direction and overacheiving in spite of what the clueless nattering nabobs of negativity were saying and didn't need to be "fixed." Ya just don't fix what ain't broken