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I think that was the only play BYU could run and NOT score. Anything up the middle and they walk in 

If you don’t like what you see watching the ball, don’t watch the DL. I’ve seen better HS units in the Bay Area, and I’m not even exaggerating 

It’s kinda funny how getting a first down is almost like scoring a TD. We’re praying so hard we can get 10 yards 

I don’t know if CJS is the main issue here, but I do know this is one of the worst teams I’ve ever seen Don the USF colors 

We’ve ran the that play twice in the red zone. Having the QB roll away from his throwing arm is just....questionable at best 

Not sure I understand the philosophy on continuously wasting your most explosive receiving weapons on fake jet sweeps (Latrel + Dollison)  

45-0 and we run a jet sweep....for a loss of 4. This is the definition of being too cute 

Just now, NovaBull said:

Three words that anyone that ever coaches for us needs to remember: Dual Threat Quarterback. 

Completely agree with this. 

Just now, chapelbull said:

I'm not sure how you know how much of a grasp he has, but he clearly outplayed Fortin tonight and he is the guy that would have presumably had the most snaps.

Let’s say he has a full grasp of the offense, what has he done outside of a couple of heaves to weaver to clearly outplay anyone? He has played poor. Again, that’s ok! He’s young. But even the deep balls were poorly thrown, and dont outweigh the absolutely horrific decisions on the turnovers. 

1 minute ago, Rocky Style said:

If I were playing this like a video game I would go with Williams and throw in the FR for some Tebow moments.

I agree. I was hoping for Jarren to get a shot if you’re going to pull Fortin. I don’t mind using McClain, but give Jarren a shot. At some point, you’re going to have to find some sort of passing offense. 

It’s incredible how soft our team is on a consistent basis. When was the last time we had a truly physical skill player? McCants? Outside of that? 

5 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

He's not going to be better at throwing the ball while sitting on the bench.  He clearly moved the offense much better than Fortin did.  He's an athlete that can make plays with both his feet and his arm.   It's not that confusing.  He clearly wasn't 3rd on the depth chart

He’s absolutely an athlete. Again, I’m not saying the kids future is doomed over 2 quarters. But there’s no way he has a full grasp of the offense given how many guys were given snaps this offseason, especially the last 2 weeks. 

2 minutes ago, puc86 said:

I would just like to have us display a single competent moment under this staff, not a game not a series but a single moment that I felt can be built upon. Every moment since they have taken over has been the worst moment of our program which means every second that we watch is the worst it has ever been. How about now is this the worst moment of our progrum’? Ya. That’s messed up.

Fixed it for you 

1 minute ago, Rex Havoc said:

This is the worst coached team I’ve ever seen. They look just as bad as last year. Full schedule of practices…still suck 

The offensive scheme is ok, but the playcalling looks a lot like a 28 year old playing madden 

Just now, chapelbull said:

I remember when everyone said this about Q, BJ, and Grothe.  How about we give him more than 3 quarters against much more physical team than us before we deem him a failure?

I didn’t say he won’t be able to throw for his entire career. However it’s clear he’s woefully unprepared to be running anything more than a limited package of plays. Completely understandable why, he’s 3rd on the depth chart. Which makes it that much more confusing why you continue to roll with him 

Just now, chapelbull said:

This is 100% false.  McClain should absolutely be in the game

The kid that can’t throw? Down by 30? Ok lol. He’s had 2 lucky jump balls to X. I understand our standards are low, but come on. Just because they got a couple of first downs by giving a completely different look doesn’t mean he should be in the game 

NC state has ran the ball over the LT about 20 times tonight. Same play, over and over 

Having McClain in this game is just as dumb as how they handled Marsh last year. CJS has sorely mismanaged the QB position 

On 7/11/2021 at 5:02 PM, Dave_Glaser said:

I went through the roster the other day and you’re absolutely right. There are still going to be a number of guys high on the depth chart this year who have no business being there, but there are no other options - yet. At least we jettisoned the undersized safeties we had been running out there. That’s a step forward. We have some speedy guys at RB, but they’re all too small to be a featured, every down, D1 back. No Mack, Tice or junkyard dog. The D-ends? Not a D1 starter among them who has size and can run. There’s beef at D-tackle, but none of those guys have consistently made plays in their time on campus - certainly not like guys we’ve had in the past. Receivers? Who among them scares you if you are an opposing D coordinator? No one even close to MVS, Rodney Adams, McCants. O-line? Hmm. Again, some size and experience there, but none of them has really performed consistently since they’ve been on campus. Does the lightbulb go on for some of these guys and they figure it out? It’s possible with better QB play to cover up some of the deficits.

Allow me to speak a little optimism into this thread. I will also preface this with of course we need to see more consistency out of these guys, that goes without saying when discussing a roster that was this bad last year. But here are some of the guys that are being slightly undervalued. 

QB: I’ve been on the Cade Fortin bandwagon since he transferred in. Going back and watching his UNC film, you can see why Jimbo liked this kid. I don’t think he has the ceiling to be a QF level impact player for us, but I do think he can be better than Barnett and others that have followed. This alone would be a massive improvement. 
 

The QB play we got for a majority of last year wasn’t acceptable. I appreciate J Mac and Noah as ambassadors, but for a large part that was FCS level QB play at best. Upgrading even to average D1 QB play would massively raise the ceiling for this team. 

WR: I genuinely think theres a decent amount of talent in this unit. It’s hard to really judge a lot of these guys based on last year with the QB play.
 

Latrell Williams is a legit talent. Elite speed, and showed flashes last year. With better QB play, I expect Latrell to become the primary playmaker in this unit. Ideally, he would probably be a #2 on a contending AAC roster, but the talent is legit and he fits the speed profile that has helped us in the past (MVS/Rodney/etc). 

Omarion Dollison: Again, we saw the flashes last year. Juiced up slot WR who can be dangerous in space. Paired with Latrell, there’s at least a really nice speed element already with both on the field. Expect them to find ways to get OD the ball 5 times a game minimum. 
 

Yusuf Terry: Transfer from Baylor. Went back and watched some film on him from last year...not a ton of reps available and their QB play wasn’t great either, but this kid is a legit D1 WR at minimum. Played meaningful snaps at Baylor as a freshman, made some nice plays on the ball and apparently their staff was very high on his future. Good size/speed combo. Route running was meh, but can absolutely be a zone beater and red zone threat. 
 

At a minimum, Between Terry and Xavier Weaver, we should have a solid 2nd boundary option to compliment Latrell. 
 

X Factor: Jimmy Horn Jr: Keeping on the speed thread, this kid can absolutely fly. Only a freshman so hard to expect too much from a production standpoint, but the staff loves him so expect to see him getting ST and specialized offensive reps. 
 

2021 Depth Chart Prediction: 

X: Latrell Williams 

Y: Omarion Dollison / Bryce Miller 

Z: Xavier Weaver / Yusuf Terry 

Overhaul the defensive identity. I’ve seen enough of the 3-3-5 base between Strong and Spencer. Tired of having 3 defensive tackles on the field who have zero pass rush ability. 

Find me someone who can develop our traditionally undersized (but quick) edge players/LB’s. We need a defensive system that allows those guys to shoot gaps and create negative plays 

2 hours ago, smazza said:

why hasnt he played if he is the best?

I believe he was recovering from a concussion early in the year

32 minutes ago, Rocky Style said:

I am praying to the dark football arts that the horrific playcalling is because we don't have anyone that can throw?  I don't know.

Fortin can spin it. Not giving CWJ a pass by any means, but it has to be difficult to put together a game plan with this offense. First and foremost, we (kinda) have 3 QB’s who all have different skill sets. 
 

Neither McCloud nor Johnson can stretch the field vertically, allowing defenses to bring extra guys down. Pair that with undersized RB’s behind a finesse (being nice) OL unit and you see the result. 
 

I’ve been preaching the start Fortin chorus all year, not only because I think he’s far and away the best QB on the roster, but if you watch his UNC film you’ll see he can throw the deep ball. Simply threatening teams to respect the deep ball would help our running game immensely. Without the vertical threat, we’re feeding 170lb RB’s to 250lb LBs and hoping to have success.
 

You’re relying on a lot of window dressing and misdirection to hopefully create some type of run game. Well, that’s not working. 
 

In the pass game, we’re seeing a lot of tight windows because defenders aren’t afraid to get beat deep. They’re willing to be play tight zones and keep guys inside to take away the short throws. Combine that with the velocity and accuracy issues of JM and NJ, and that’s not going to lead to very much success either 

That’s what we’re seeing  

1st down: run

2nd down: run

3rd down: incomplete pass on a broken play 

Charlie Weis Jr. is calling a horrific game 

Tulsa legitimately has one of the best run defenses in the country. And our game plan has been to run the ball. Confusing

Just now, gibbsak said:

Just in the attitude of the team, I am seeing a 180 over CS.  This team at least has emotion, and drive. I believe Scott will get us there, but this is not year 1, even without COVID.  More like year -2.

1. Lose big

2. Lose small 

3. Win small 

4. Win big

Pretty clear where we are at currently