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Have to find a way to get some sort of consistency or rhythm in the passing game. 
 

I appreciate what Byrum has brought in the run game, but he has to hit on a few of these wide open passes

This thread is exactly what I hoped to see - college football season is BACK!  Good to know the USF fanbase still has some life to it!

On 9/3/2023 at 11:31 AM, 350_BULL said:

Biggest take away for me was the runs up the middle CONSECUTIVELY. I don't mind one, but two in a row to gain two yards hurts. Sets up a tough long 3rd down.

Bad part is by the time we are 3 and out the other defense isn't even tired in spite of our fast paced offense.

Worst part is with such a fast offense we end up giving the ball back after taking like 30 seconds off the game clock. I like the fast pace at times but you need to work the clock sometimes especially against that type of QB who won't make many mistakes.

Having a vertical run game (between the tackles) is a staple of this offense. It’s a benefit of the wide splits by the WRs.
 

Every run play looks bad when you don’t block it correctly. 

44 minutes ago, JTrue said:

xCOA was one of the nation's top recruiters once, too. Just saying...

Orlando Antigua Recognized As One of The Nations Top Recruiters -

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We're all aware of how Kentucky has dominated the recruiting scene since the arrival of John Calipari and his team. The CATS have led the nation this year and last. It's also...

 

I understand the point, but this is very different. COA (and Scott) were awarded and well regarded for recruiting only. Both at premier programs with national brands that do a lot of the recruiting for you. Their true coaching ability was always a question. 

Rahim is well regarded (and now awarded) for his ability to coach first and foremost, while also proving he has what it takes to rebuild a program without a national (or even local) brand. 

We will see what the results end up being, but I see Scott and COA as more similar than anything to do with Rahim 

Odom would be a great hire. Get it done 

Just now, bulloni said:

Jeff Scott had a dad who was assistant head coach at Clemson when he joined their staff. Then never had any experience working under any coach other than Dabo. Clemson never missed a bowl game while he was there. Scott likely got into the profession due to a little nepotism and never had to deal with real adversity so when he got hit by it here he was totally unprepared.

Golesh is the son of immigrants who had to be a graduate assistant for 5 years before getting a chance to be a position coach. He then coached at 5 different schools and was recruiting coordinator at 3 different schools in 3 different conferences. Golesh certainly has the real world experience to give me more confidence in handling the tough situations than Scott.

 

It’s not very often that you see a blue collar work ethic paired with a high flying, up tempo offensive candidate. That alone has me intrigued 

8 minutes ago, ClassOf2005Bull said:

Honestly, the game is so offensive now that yards given up isn't nearly as important as preventing scores and creating turnovers. 20 years ago, I'd be all about his ypg, but the fact of the matter is offense's are gonna get their yards...especially in CFB. So if Todd Orlando can come in and prevent scores and create turnovers, but give up 400ypg, I'm fine with it.

Bingo. Especially in the AAC 

I’ll also point out, this isn’t the SEC or Pac 12. The level of QB play we will face in conference over the next couple of years will…let’s just say, not be Joe Burrow-esque. Having a brand of trying to score 50, and blitzing the heck out of subpar QBs to try and force 1-2 turnovers and/or create enough negative plays to get stops is a **** solid strategy. 
 

Idk that I would choose that pairing if we had to beat elite QB play in conference, but for this spot, it’s a solid mix (and one that could allow us to steal games earlier than later)

Just now, bullstampede9922 said:

I'd be curious to see where his defenses ranked in takeaways.  With a quick scoring offense, you aren't going to be able to shut out people because the defense will be on the field a lot, but if you can force a few turnovers and capitalize on them, it makes the other team more one-dimensional.

Someone gets it

Just now, belgianbull said:

Yes, but I don't know if an upgrade is good enough for our situation.  We can do better then just an upgrade. These hires needed to be homeruns.  Maybe they will be; time will tell, but I am not sold. 

With all due respect, you don’t simply just get home run hires when you are in the spot we’re in. 

This isn’t a resume hire. This is a philosophy hire. This is going to be an extremely up tempo and vertical offense. Defensively, they want to cause a ton of pressure and try and steal possession/create turnovers. Golesh mentioned “winning in the margins” in his PC. This is that philosophy to a tee. 

Agree or disagree, but the philosophy and identity is beginning to take shape. 

Golesh wasn’t lying when he said we’re going to be aggressive. Idk that Orlando is the best DC in the country, but he’s **** sure going to be an upgrade 

Golesh referred to his DC choice as the best DC in the country. If he brings in Kevin Patrick, whose never even been a DC, that will be my first red flag lol

3 minutes ago, bullstampede9922 said:

He said in the press conference this was a guy who he tried to get 2 other times and couldn't and finally got him this time so I assume no one currently with Tennessee.

My thoughts exactly 

Another name of interest - Bryan Brown, former DC at Louisville. Heupel almost hired him to Tennessee, but Brown decided to stay at Louisville. With Satterfield now gone, I could see Brown making a trip to Tampa. Keep an eye on this one 

A couple of others to watch for 

- Eli Rasheed, Iowa St DL coach

- DK McDonald, assistant DB Coach Phi Eagles

Keep an eye on Aaron Henry from Illinois 

10 minutes ago, Rocky Style said:

Sounds like he will be drawing up schemes all hours of the day.

He’s already the best offensive mind we’ve had at HC in the programs history.  I understand that’s not saying much, and it’s not a guarantee for huge success, but pair that with a blue collar mindset and it’s a **** good start

Y’all still think this is Jeff Scott 2.0? Hell no. 

1 hour ago, smazza said:

how can you be positive when we hired someone unknown to most high school football players?

You think high school football players were just walking around with the names Mike Norvell in their head 3 years ago? Or Willie Fritz? 

This seems like a massive overreaction to Deion. Prime is a unicorn. 

18 minutes ago, OnTheBus said:

How did that work when we tried to import the Dabo system? Or when Willie Taggart came in with his Harbaugh style before he junked it in year 3 for the spread?

Does Dabo have a system beyond recruiting stud QBs and throwing jump balls to first round WRs? 

1 minute ago, OnTheBus said:

What I'm trying to figure out is what I'm sure the USF marketing crew in charge of the rollout is trying to figure out: What's the selling point?

Is he a name? No. Does he have accolades or trophies? No. Experience as an HC? No. Local ties, or an established recruiter? No. Looks like Ryan Gosling? No. Innovative playcaller? Eh? Riding the coattails of our "rival" school's previous HC? You gonna sell us on that? He's cheap? Probably, and relatively, but that's not something you'll say.

So I'm just trying to figure out what he brings to the table (even purely speculatory) that made him someone over whoever was 8th on Kelly's list.

Fair points from a marketing perspective. But what does he bring to the table? The offense that everyone in college football is trying to get their hands on….the Briles/Heupel mix. Sell that in year 2

1 minute ago, USoFlo said:

I don’t mind this hire. He is supposed to be a rising star according to TDS. We actually took him off cincy’s board. I can only image they are having a meltdown as well. Here’s a fun question. Who in the world does cincy go with now?

They should be all over Jason Sumrall unless Brian Hartline absolutely crushes an interview 

Just now, Ghostbuster said:

No, this is another person who was recently a co-offensive coordinator at a school with a good quarterback, who also has no head coaching experience and practically no ties to Florida.

Look in any other hiring cycle this is a hire the fan base would be at least a little excited for.  Getting someone associated with a number 1 offense is usually considered a "get".  Just imagine if this were Alabama's OC we had hired, during a year they had the top scoring offense; how many people would be excited and feel USF was on the rebound since we stole one from P5 openings?

The problem is, collectively as a fan base we saw how historically bad things can go with a first time head coach.  It can be hard to assemble a staff if you've never done it before.  And hardly any fan left has the patience for that 'learning on the job' stuff again.  Maybe this guy doesn't have the problem and it's a moot point.  But it's still a risk now compared to anyone with head coaching experience and success.  And that is what most people wanted because it gave the best chance of a quick turnaround.

Fair points. Let me take them 1 by 1. 

Co-OC: Golesh wasn’t the co-OC at Tennessee. He was the OC. Period. But even by title, him and CJS are VERY difference. What was Jeff Scott’s calling card schematically? Any idea? I sure don’t. Their scheme relied on a Deshaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence and Tee Higgins jump balls. There was no creativity or calling card fundamentally. He was a recruiter. That’s it. Golesh is a scheme guy. X’s and O’s. He knows how to coach. And that’s a MAJOR separator. 

Local recruiting ties: as I mentioned before, everyone has recruiting ties to Florida. Every school recruits Florida. You don’t have to be a local to know where to go to find talent. Additionally, this isn’t 2008. You don’t need to be buddy buddy with the HC to get a guy. NIL, winning, and ability to put up numbers gets kids in the program more than any “local ties” ever will. Look no further than Jeff Scott for this. 

HC Experience: I get it. You want someone whose proven they’ve been a HC. But realize that even THAT doesn’t guarantee success. Nebraska thought they had a sure thing in Scott frost. He had been a HC! He had proven it! Failed. Gus is the worst coach at UCF out of the last 3. His resume has everything you could’ve ever wanted from a experience standpoint. We saw it here with Charlie Strong. Heck, Houston had more success with Tom Herman than they are with Dana (coordinator vs HC). 

Reality: the reality is our stock is at an all time low. When you’re saying you want someone with HC experience, whose realistic? Jason candle? Chadwell? I mean, ok. But can we agree those things aren’t “sure things” anymore than Golesh? Golesh couldve taken a G5 job last year instead of going to Tennessee and dominating. If he did and succeeded, you’re not getting him. We have 3 choices: hire a young coordinator, hire a pretty mid HC, hire a retread. The coordinator choice has the highest upside with none being sure things. We can agree on that much, correct?

You know what gets recruits excited? Winning games. Big stats. Packed crowds. and most of all now, NIL deals. 

You can have all the Florida ties you want, but if you struggle in the first 2 years, kids are hitting the portal (outbound) and you’re not pulling any talent….I’m looking at you Jeff Scott 

Florida is probably the easiest state to recruit without having local ties. EVERYONE recruits here. Especially programs like Tennessee