UofMemphis

18 minutes ago, GaUSFBull said:

What would we do with our OCS  during the other 8 months out of the year that isn't already being done at RayJay?

the same thing FAU does with theirs...see if the Rowdies want to play a couple games there...host intramurals...see if the local HS bands want to hold competitions there...hold your annual scrimmage there...all sorts of stuff.

4 minutes ago, Ned A Starr said:

How many bowl games are played in OCSs?

I know we just played in one at FAUs...if FAU can have a new stadium and Bowl game...why not USF?

14 hours ago, Bourbon Bull said:

for 6 or 7 days a year.

ESPN can't get enough of bowl games in Florida...no reason USF can't host the 'Busch Gardens Bowl' or something similar.

when you see Tulane's stadium, remember this...they had to make it 'low profile' on one side as there are really high dollar homes that back up the stadium and practice field...one of those home owners was a lawyer, got the neighbors together, and threatened to sue over 'noise/light pollution' along with increased car traffic lowering their home values.

notice the massive homes that back up to the small side of the stadium pictured below.

So while Tulane claims it holds 30,000...it's more like 26,000 with some SRO areas. (which is perfect for Tulane)

11 hours ago, Ned A Starr said:

WTF, does that have to do with a twenty minute drive??

BTW...The upper bowl is now closed for USF games unless there is more demand for tickets  (I.E. Florida State Seminole game), so essentially the stadium seats in the low 40s for Bulls games.   

 

 

 

I didn't say it has anything to do with the drive...it's simply a fact...Raymond James is too big for USF just like the Liberty Bowl is too big for Memphis.

I mean, that's like UAB fans pretending Legion Field only holds 45,000 because they tarp off 20,000+ seats...like that commercial says 'that's not how any of this works'

5 minutes ago, Ned A Starr said:

ROTFLMAO

it isn't realistic to ask any G5 program to consistently fill a 66,000 seat stadium... 

1 hour ago, Ned A Starr said:

 

For who???

All those folks who aren't filling up Raymond James for USF games. I'm not saying Raymond James won't work, but you have the land on campus, and your team has had back-to-back bowls. Plus the Big XII isn't expanding, so the AAC is stable for the moment. This simply seems like a good time for USF to strike.

I'd love for Memphis to have an OCS but there are many reasons why we don't

1) Memphis is the primary tenant at the Liberty Bowl, and we are treated as such.

2) Memphis gets a sweetheart deal on the lease (only 99k per game to rent)

3) The Liberty Bowl is only 2.1 miles, or a 5 minute car ride from Campus.

4) The City pays for maintenance and upkeep and they've done a good job here lately (32 million invested in the last 5 years)

5) we don't have the land on-campus to build a stadium

4 minutes ago, charsibb said:

Interesting perspective.

Legally, I don't think any AD ever needs to ask another AD for permission to contact. Unless I'm mistaken, it's a professional courtesy thing. So why would a mid-season contact be less courteous than a late- or post-season contact? If anything, I think it'd be the other way 'round. If you want to be courteous, you'd be MORE likely to ask mid-season then less. No?

 

as I said, it's a decorum kind of thing...and it would not apply to your situation as Anthony Grant has no AD to ask permission from, and normally NBA asst coaches can come and go.

example was when LSUs Johnny Jones was our 'interim HC' and we had no issues talking to Calipari while he was an asst coach with the 76ers and Jones was still acting as our interim.

those sort of rules don't apply when you're talking to NBA asst coaches and you have an interim HC...

2 hours ago, Ionbull said:

I think an OCS would be awesome. Give a home base to the team and keep everything in and around campus. However, with a perfect state of the art facility 20 minutes down the road it's hard to justify the department spending that money without any outside funding. Granted I have no idea what the budget is or how much it would cost out of pocket. Would just rather use that money on staff and coaches.

20 minutes is a long drive and a 66,000 seat stadium is not perfect for USF.

as an outsider who has family in Tampa I've ended up on your campus twice to watch Memphis vs USF hoops games. Both times I noticed there is plenty of space on campus for a stadium. UCF built an OCS for 55 million...Akron built an OCS for 62 million...FAU built an OCS for 70 million...UNT built an OCS for 78 million...USF could build an OCS on land they already own for under 100 million.

it would be a transformative event for USF, and with the success of the last two seasons, now is the time to strike IMHO.

I mean, why not here?

2 minutes ago, Apis Bull said:

You can still reach out to candidates for interviewing.

plus a lot of the decorum rules won't apply...no need to ask an AD for permission to contact...no need to wait til the end of the season to officially fire your sitting coach...it actually puts USF in the catbird seat this coaching carousel.

you guys can talk to Grant, while letting Bartow have a 60 day 'interview' 

4 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Kind of a tricky situation for Harlan, unless he's already got his mind set on someone approachable now, like Grant, no matter how Bartow does. This is why I'm not a fan of mid season firings ... although not a real big problem with this one.

not really...the assumption from everywhere that I've read is USF became aware of something linking Antigua to the NCAA investigation into academic fraud...that explains the immediate firing, and will probably mean USF was able to fire for cause saving them some $$$.

http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/College-Basketball/2017/01/04/South-Florida-fires-Orlando-Antigua-amid-academic-fraud-investigation/2421483510031/

your AD didn't just wake up and decide Antigua didn't win enough.

11 hours ago, Triple B said:

MH is probably, though, going to give Bartow a shot with these last couple of months as an audition so unless he's dead set on Grant, or another NBA asst, not looking for a replacement until March.

but the remaining season is what...60 days?

60 days goes quick, and I would be already reaching out to candidates now (of course, that may already be happening)

after thinking about it, Grant may be the perfect pick. Candidates like Matt McCall will want you to wait until their team is done playing in whatever tourney they end up in...you can reach out to Grant right now to gauge interest.

6 hours ago, Triple B said:

When is the NBA season over, in regards to have a bearing on Grant?

NBA regular season ends like mid-April. Playoffs normally go til the end of May.

If he's just an Asst, there's no reason to not just start the hiring process now.

22 minutes ago, Triple B said:

What, no Matt McCall?? 

the problem with both McCall and Forbes for Memphis was that they were both in their 1st season at their schools...had Pastner left THIS season, Tubby would have already signed that extension at TTU, and McCall/Forbes would both have good shots at being our HC.

14 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Wow. What was he making at TT?

and we'll never have that kind of money sitting around as long as we keep paying ex-coaches ...

he was making 1.8 million at Texas Tech but after taking them to the NCAA tourney, Tech wanted to extend his contract at 2 million per year. Memphis had to come in high because the list got kinda rough after Tubby...Jeff Capel? Penny Hardaway?...No Thanks! I'll take the coach who's taken 5 programs to the NCAA tourney, 3 programs to the Sweet 16, and has an NCAA title to his credit.

if I remember right it just goes up 100k every year at Memphis: 2.8 million year one, 2.9 million year two, 3 million in year three, and so on from there.

Tubby says he wants to retire before 70, so I believe he will retire in mid April 2021 after 5 seasons with Memphis (that also happens to be the length of his contract)...he turns 70 one month later at the end of June.

I just don't think Tubby wants to be like Larry Brown, coaching at 75...so IMHO, Tubby knows this is his last/best chance at another deep NCAA run.

18 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Edited for a possibly more accurate sarcastical statement .... You wouldn't have thought Tubby Smith would have left the B12 for the "mighty aac".

Who knows, Pitino might see an easier path to what he wants in the AAC. Just a matter of if he has the *****to tackle this job if offered.

If USF has 2.8-2.9* million per year sitting around, then your options open up a little bit :-)

(*Tubby makes 2.8 this season, and 2.9 next season)

16 minutes ago, GaUSFBull said:

Clearly he doesn't know how to groom his assistants.  I think UofMemphis may be onto something about yes men who can recruit.

Gary Parrish is a national CBS writer who started in Memphis covering Memphis basketball (Calipari teams) and he noticed all of Cal's asst coaches were nothing but 'yes men' who could recruit...he was shocked when he started covering other teams for CBS to find some coaches actually let assts do things like run practice, and even call set plays out of timeouts...Cal would have none of that...he wants recruiters only.

4 hours ago, Rizman said:

Can't believe what Calipari said.  Yeah, in 2.5 years he had sent the program into the crapper.  What are we suppose to do Calipari?

 

Calipari on Orlando Antigua firing. "He and I talked. I'm disappointed. What's he been there 2.5 years? That's how this is now."

Cal's just mad he's going to have to find space on his staff for Antigua and Strickland this season instead of next...Cal loves yes men who can recruit.

44 minutes ago, HatterGator said:

And Grant is both more qualified and a better fit than Bartow. You talk about Grant being fired from Alabama. Well, Bartow was just "convinced to retire" from ETSU. Nothing about his track record suggests he'd even get this program to Heath levels.

as I said in my first post, I would go with Matt McCall...but Grant would at least be a major upgrade over Antigua.

59 minutes ago, HatterGator said:

Comparing Bartow to Grant is kinda ridiculous. Bartow had a "nice little program" at ETSU with two regular season conference championships in twelve years. Grant was a star at VCU, winning the regular season conference championship each of the three years he was there.

Grant was a part of chamionships at Florida, is from the Miami area, and can sell NBA experience.

And he had Alabama 12-4 in the SEC and in the NIT championship in his second year. The wheels fell off after Lacey transferred, but he was hardly a disaster there.

He might not have the ceiling of some of the younger names being thrown around, but he's a better bet to turn the program around than Bartow.

again, I'd much rather have a successful up-and-comer over yet another fired SEC coach...

what's the problem with McCall? he's 39-9 at UT-Chatt, including an NCAA tourney, with experience under Mike Jarvis and Billy D...plus, he's never been fired.

but as I said, if a retread is really what you want Anthony Grant > Orlando Antigua...but I'd give Bartow a shot since he's already Interim Head Coach.

note: I'm biased towards Bartow since I remember my Tigers playing his UAB squads in the late 90s and early 2000s...his teams we're fundamentally solid, and best described as 'scrappy'...he seemed to carry that on at ETSU.

23 minutes ago, Triple B said:

If that would be the case, take him in a heartbeat .... hell, I'd take part 1 back.

if that's the thought process, just stick with Bartow...he'll build a nice little program there. (like he did at ETSU)

that said...Anthony Grant > Orlando Antigua

I'm just saying that if you want to go re-read, give Murry Bartow a chance.

8 minutes ago, Gatorbull325 said:

I’m trying to understand how you can dismiss a man w/o doing any type of research.

 

because I can tell you all about Anthony Grant.

I mean, Stan Heath has an NCAA title as an asst under Izzo...took Kent State to an Elite Eight, and Arkansas to back-to-back NCAAs.

if you want another fired SEC coach, go for it...but it'll end the same.

6 minutes ago, Gatorbull325 said:

Former Gator Assistant - Anthony Grant is my top choice.He did well at VCU, but bad at Alabama, and falls under Billy Donovan's tree. He is currently an assistant coach for the OKC Thunder. 

 

Stan Heath part 2?

sitting successful head coaches are available like McCall, Dooley, and Forbes...get an up and comer, not a re-tread.

1 hour ago, cophbulls said:

Without additional information concerning Antigua's culpability in the NCAA investigation, this is incredibly, unbelievably stupid. There is no one available who can or wants to turn this program around. Thanks for making my season-tickets worthless again. It should be a lot of fun going to the games knowing every single person on that team has already packed it in. Good Times!

Murry Bartow has 4 NCAAs, 3 NITs, 2 CITs, along with over 300 career Ws at UAB and ETSU.

he's FAR more qualified to coach USF than Orlando Antigua.

Fitts, Da Silva, Holston, Martin, Manderson, Thorpe...there is talent there for the next coach.