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I said I'm not sure why you think you know more than NFL analysts or knowledgable football fans because they disagree with you. Would you say a minor league all-star team could beat an experienced MLB team? What about basketball where physicality means a little less than football? Could Duke this year beat the worst NBA teams?

I'm not sure why you think you know better than any NFL analyst or knowledgable football fan. No college team, no matter how talented, could beat an NFL team. Some of the greatest college teams in history did not have enough NFL-ready players to compete with a veteran NFL team. The physical ability of the NFL players, along with the fact that NFL teams are all college all-star teams with more experience, make this fact obvious to all but you apparently. But hey, since Texas was a better team that night I suppose you think they could beat some NFL teams too. Whatever.

oh, and btw, it wouldnt have been a 3-peat for national champions, it would have been a 3-peat AP championship. the BCS system is stupid but it was the agreed upon system that caused LSU, not USC, to become national champions 2 years ago. there are no longer co-champions, and even so there have been undefeated teams such as a few Jo-Pa teams that have been undefeated and not won the national championship in the past. love it or hate it, the BCS is the official system and USC only won 1 national championship in the last 3 years. I was certainly upset 3 years ago when USC didnt get a chance to play LSU, but that's what happens with the BCS. Is Auburn any less a champion last year with 2 running backs that did very well this year in the NFL as rookies? not in my opinion. they were just as undefeated as USC the previous year. but they also were not officially national champions. oh well.

guess that makes the Pac-10 6-2 in BCS games now? huh. I suppose Texas would also be able to beat San Francisco now? And what difference does it make if they play by college or NFL rules? NFL players remember what it's like to play in college, the 2 feet in and overtime rule differences wouldnt be too much to adjust to again. but whatever, Texas was the best team USC played this year and they lost. again, I'm not going to argue conference strengths because when an SEC team beats an ACC team that beats a Big-10 team that beats an SEC team, it gets rather pointless. and that happens a lot.

san francisco and houston would wipe the floor with USC. that is probably the dumbest argument people come up with, that an college team could compete with any NFL team. even if you had a college team of seniors that are all NFL prospects, an NFL team full of rookies is about the only team they would have a chance against. many of USC's players probably could have played on an NFL team this year, including bush, leinart, and some others, but there is no way they would be as good as a team full of veteran NFL players, no matter how mediocre compared to the rest of the league. i do hope that was a joke. really. oh, and the pac-10 isnt as good as the ACC, SEC, Big 12, or Big 10 imo, but we could argue those kinds of things forever.

Not a music guy (well, in this context) but I think the important thing for during the game to me is not playing after the huddle when the offense is potentially communicating at the line. I think for the most part the music stops at the appropriate times. As long as that happens I'm content especially since the fans need that cues to be quiet as well. I think some fans are worse than anything else at being loud at times when the offense is getting ready to snap the ball. However, I went to an FSU game this year and surprisingly a great many fans cheered at inappropriate times when the offense had the ball, and they have a very established football program, of course. I think part of the reason was the band played too long at times during offense. Hopefully, the HOT can help keep our fans into the game and doing the appropriate cheering at the right times. Keep up the good work and apparent progress.

first road game for me, but I'll be at the UCF game, at least, next year. I'd rather that game not be a rivalry considering I'd like USF to remain a better team and just beat them every time, but I'm glad for the close away game.

The comparison to FSU is not completely fair. While 3 of the teams were unranked, they are all quality teams going to bowls. The ACC conference beats each other up a lot, making it difficult to remain ranked. Most of the ACC teams that didn't start ranked or were ranked low to begin the season were ranked after every win and unranked after every loss. Of course, this does not excuse the terrible losses to Clemson and UF that were not even contests late. But then, USF lost to Pitt and UConn that are not even bowl teams in a weak conference, hence the title of potential skunks. Had USF beaten Penn State, Miami, or West Virginia it would certainly compare a little better (with the addition of the Louisville win) to the FSU wins against Miami, Boston College, and of course Va Tech. I am not arguing that FSU shouldnt be called a skunk of the BCS, because with the play at the end of season they certainly did not appear to be a quality team. However, had they lost to Miami and BC early, then beat Clemson and UF to end the season, they are probably ranked a lot higher. What would have been worse is if any team from the Big 12 North went to the BCS. The ACC Atlantic at least has quality teams in it. Anyway, USF needed 2 upsets and to handle business at either UConn or Pitt to make it to the BCS. To me, this puts them inbetween the other 2 potential skunks. But really, I'm not sure why that guy has to call any team a "skunk" of the BCS if he knows the system. A crappy division that has a conference title game can win 1 quality win all year and go to the BCS, and the BCS agreed to give the Big East a BCS berth, so if a team earns it why call them skunks anyway. I agree that guy should be fair, but it seems the media will continue to disrepect USF for awhile still at least.

wow, good observation, curious about that as well. how is that determined in any bowl for that matter? imo our home uniforms look a lot better (solid greens) as do most programs' uniforms, so that does seem a bit lopsided

the last 2 classes were the best, right? so if this year is even better we can expect to compete for the big east championship every year. i wish it didnt cost so much to actually know these recruiting details ahead of time, though, assuming the recruiting websites even know

usually how it works, right?

cute pictures, but I like green on green the best, followed by solid white and solid gold i suppose.

wow, well keep voting guys, but some of these percentages are now ridiculous. I think I'd favor NC State in this game, but this is coming from an FSU fan (terrible play for 3 games in a row including NC State loss). It would be a good win for USF to beat a decent ACC team that would, as the poll shows, at least go 5-2 in the Big East. Still, some of these percentages are rather silly now.

heh, seems a little cheap. can't he just change the yardage before the game anyway?

West Virginia 31-20 330 S.J. Green *sigh*

I agree, nukebull. Meanwhile UCF can compete in the weakest C-USA in quite some time and have a "great" season by playing Tulsa (heh) for the conference title. Have fun with that.

If everyone beats a team it is less impressive when you do so as well, and you can hardly call it a rivalry then. I hope USF bounces back from the most disappointing loss in its history (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong) by beating another ranked team this year, but it would still be good for them to win the Sugar Bowl. The win would look more impressive would it not?

This is probably my most depressing day in my history of loving sports. For some reason, I decided to wallow in my suffering by joining this board and reading post after post. I was feeling a little better by now, almost 6am, but I had to post because The_Lord_Vader_Sheriff's post in this thread is about the funniest response to the previous posts I have ever read. Thank you for making me laugh, because you completely went against the tone of this thread. Anyway, I think I can sleep now because I feel better. Thanks again.