DontPushMe

I'm as pessimistic about usf and our outlook as anyone and even I would expect us to be part of whatever aac group leaves for the pac. There are so few aac schools that calford would be willing to associate with that to put 4-6 together there's no way we aren't part of it.

I mean the 4 holdouts from the acc

Zero interest for me. I'd rather go to the acc once gutted than have a reunion with ucf. Best thing about them going to the B12 is severing ties with them. Hopefully rebuilding the pac is more valuable than what the B12 could offer because it's our best escape route for the moment. I don't think the 4 hold outs will flip. I think they're using this situation to try and get the gor reduced. They're willing to burn the house down if they can't get out, and rightfully so. Those 4 schools belong in the big or sec.

The big 12 once tx and OK leave is closer to the AAC than the power 2. Even a depleted acc is a better conference with bigger brands.

It's unbelievably pathetic, bordeline sad that ucf fans still come here. Is your life that bad that you need this type of validation?

Big and sec will never in any of our lifetimes stoop to adding us. I hope we don't end up in the big 12. I want to move on from ucf permanently. ACC, independent or shut the program down. Only options.

I'd take a depleted acc over any big 12. I don't want to be associated with ucf ever again. It's a big reason we are in the place we are now.

Very well said. It's like the analogy of a frog in boiling water. If you drop a frog in boiling water it jumps out. If you put it in normal temp water and slowly increase it to boiling he boils. If in 2008 we had announced we are joining a conference with FAU, North Texas, Charlotte, San Antonio etc heads would have rolled. Yet because it's happened slowly most here are just resigned to it. Being associated with these schools is an absolute embarrassment and should never be accepted. We should go independent if we insist on pressing on with football. Play as many road one and dones as needed to stay afloat. Being connected to **** makes us **** by association. There should be an uproar. Everyone who has been involved in the athletic program in the past 5-10 years should be fired.

And now smu is another school go blow past us. This thread will be a real gem when FAU and North Texas move ahead of us in consideration for bigger moves. No shame in admitting something was a mistake and moving on. Shut down the football program.

I agree that losing ucf, Cincy, Houston and smu and replacing with Oregon state, Washington state, sdsu, Fresno would have been an improvement. The issue are those other schools you listed. We are lowering the value of our university by associating it with North Texas, Fau, Charlotte etc.

The same will happen to it that happened to the 6 bcs conferences. They'll just drop the number again and it'll be power 4. In reality it's a power 2, a middle 2 and a flaming dumpster.

Bigger issue isn't who we lost, of those only cincinnati moves the needle, it's who we added. An embarrassing collection of Fau, North Texas, Charlotte, utsa. Sun belt or lower schools. Should have never added this dross and figured out an mwc merger when we didn't have all of this dead weight.

Doesn't matter. We aren't on the radar and never will be. Take this abomination of an athletics program out back and put it out of it misery.

The AAC is an embarrassment. Every day we are in it lowers the value of the university. This is why smu is paying $50m+ to separate from it. We should leave immediately and go independent. Every escape route appears to be gone. Either independent or folding the program are the only options left. Mk should be fired effective immediately and never welcome in the area again.

I've said all along that Stanford and cal won't lower themselves to a merger with the AAC or mwc. They'd have sooner gone independent. Makes sense that they're going to find a solution with the acc. Time to shut down our football program and join a different conference for other sports.

Charlie strong dug our grave and Scott Jeff buried us. Those two men completely burned our athletics program to the ground.

Time to either go independent or shut the program down. We cannot spend the next 10 years in this embarrassment of a league

Ugh please no to the 11 aac teams. There's only 3-5 aac teams at most that aren't a complete embarrassment to be associated with. Need to get out of this **** hole conference ASAP.

Looking like worst case scenario for us is about to happen. Pac folds altogether with the two valuable schools to the acc. The remaining 2 probably recreate the pac as a best of the mwc to keep the branding. Smu joins acc. Acc gets more stable. Zero landing spots for us for the next 10+ years. Seriously time to consider my proposal to shut the program down and focus on Olympics I don't think they'd accept it regardless but we should absolutely be offering to play the acc for free for at least as long as smu is willing to.

It does because 99% of the people watching college sports don't follow it on message boards like this and know or care about tv payouts. The point of all of this is getting a universitys recognition up and increasing exposure and prestige. Dropping down to the AAC is so far beneath a school like Stanford. USF is the only school dumb enough to let ourselves be lowered from a power conference to the old sun belt.

What you aren't factoring in is the national embarrassment of associating your prestigious school with aac or mwc schools. Usf is the only school so blind as to willingly drop down from the big East to the sun belt and think it's OK to tie ourselves to Charlotte, utsa, North Texas, Fau etc. Ive said all along Stanford will sooner go independent than join up with memphis, Boise etc. Just like we should have gone independent before allowing all the dross into the aac

The pay and embarrassment of being associated with aac schools is not worth it. We should be making the same offer, problem is acc would deny us even for free. If acc adds 2-4 teams and the pac 4 thing doesn't materialize for us it's time to seriously just shut down the program or go full independent.

I expect this to happen in some format. Maybe with a free smu or free cal. Stanford was never going to lower themselves to the AAC schools. Question becomes do we finally go it alone as an independent, or try a 10 team pac rebuild with osu, wsu, 4-5 mwc schools and a few aac schools.

Stanford and cal will get to the acc. Smu will probably get in as well offering to take no tv money. We should offer the same or we'll be stuck in the sun Belt forever.

Yeah this is something I'm waiting on too. I feel like we aren't far from the 20 or so massive brand colleges splitting off and forming a semi pro league essentially. Hopefully the the rest of college sports can just be rearranged geographically and all this nonsense can end. I wouldn't watch a minute of a broken off league of big names, but I'm sure it's their eventual goal. Many schools are essentially collecting a check because of the brand and fan base of a few schools. Would prob be in everyone's interest if college football became a semi pro league where players are paid for the top players, then a second tier how it used to be, organized geographically, then the schools who's football is in the semi pro or whatever play their Olympics in whatever conference matches geographically.