Jim Johnson

8 hours ago, John Lewis said:

I believe UF is moving to a new league 

Yup.  The Big 12 ... which will start playing in 2025.

22 hours ago, Sellular1 said:

Should have noticed my sarcasm font when comparing the size of Tulane student body to USF… and they only have 8,000 undergrads.

Gotcha, my browser has trouble displaying the sarcasm fonts sometimes ...

Just as a note, however, Duke has less than 7,000 undergrads.

On 4/12/2024 at 6:27 PM, Sellular1 said:

And the 5,000 students Tulane has???

Tulane has 14,000 students... more than Wake Forest and Boston College... and almost as many as Duke and Miami.

On 4/12/2024 at 2:13 PM, USF_Bullsharks said:

ACC only has 1 pro-rata addition from what others have said (4 in contract, 3 used already). So if they lose FSU/Clemson, would they only be able to add 1 at pro-rata or are those two seats considered vacant, therefore they will have 3 open full-share additions? I guess the answer to that is "nobody except the ACC knows", trade secrets and all that jazz, but I think it's just as good of a chance that the ACC adds 0 as much as it is they'll add 1, which are both more likely than if they add >1. Unless of course those pro-rata shares are available, and they offer half-shares and increase payouts to existing members, etc. There are so many possibilities. 

Speaking of tv contracts, everyone thinks the B12 will just add whoever they want all willy-nilly if the ACC opens up. Well, they spent their 4 pro-rata additions on the 4C schools, and would need at least one of Fox/ESPN to agree to pay more money for ANY additions to the conference between now and the next tv contract in 2030/31. 

Speaking of Utah, who did not sign the membership agreement (which basically just secures exit-fees contracted to members, it's not the GoR or some Texas-based blood oath and really shouldn't be discussed much), it is important to remember that they were given a full-share of TV revenue from the B12 (as did each of the 4C additions). So for the ACC to attract them, they will also need to offer a full share at the very least. You know who was not offered a full tv share? Calford/SMU. As much as Utah (and probably ASU) might make sense for the ACC long-term, there's very little chance that the ACC can provide a home for them unless they can convince ESPN to cover the costs of adding them.

When they lose FSU and Clemson, ESPN is going to renegotiate... so the pro-rata additions won't matter.

20 hours ago, Mike Stuben said:

If they lose 2, I bet they only backfill 1. (They are on an odd number currently). 

 

USF or UConn. 

 

But, if the Big 12 can't add any of the ACC, they may be more in play for us. 

They've been an odd number overall since 2014... thanks to ND.  Adding SMU made them an even number... except in football --> which was your point about being an odd number currently.

I bet they lose 2 and add 3... WSU and OSU to help with Stanford and Cal ... (on paper, a merger with the Pac 12 which lets the NCAA units transfer)... and then I hope that 3rd is USF to keep two teams in Florida ... but I suspect adding New Orleans might have just as much appeal.

35 minutes ago, USF_Bullsharks said:

My guess is Karter follows Cal to Arkansas. I doubt he remains committed to UK. I do think this slightly opens the door for USF - however slim (5%? 10%? 25%?), but a nonzero chance. 

15 minutes ago, MMW said:

Fair enough.  So why does FSU and Clemson hate being in the ACC so much?  Aside from this year they had pretty reasonable access to the championship game.

 

As @Outlaw said ... it's all about the Benjamins.

An extra $40-50 million per year means being competitive across the board.  FSU sees a day when their baseball ... girls soccer... and other sports (not to mention football) are among those left behind in their respective sports.

34 minutes ago, bowman1 said:

I stick by my statement regarding recruiting and player development 

Yes - Weaver, Horn and Boyles were all recruited to USF.  For whatever reason, they all felt that their path to the next level was better somewhere else.  Some (not all) of that decision was invariably based upon the player development that was happening at USF at the time

I counter to say this: the fact that Horne, Weaver, and Boyles left for greener pastures shows that CCS/CJS could recruit NFL-caliber talent and develop them enough so they had the opportunity to transfer.

If CCS and CJS (and their respective staffs) were that bad, none of their recruits would A) transfer to schools with better opportunities to showcase their talent ... or B) be considered draftable.

USF is not going to recruit more than a handful of potential NFL-caliber players under the best of conditions... heck, getting one per class would be outstanding in the AAC.

I think the terrible game management, terrible game planning, and all the losses have jaded you.

10 hours ago, bowman1 said:

Wow - our last draft pick was in 2018.  That speaks volumes about how bad the recruiting and player development was under CCS and CJS

Now now... Jimmy Horne and Xavier Weaver are going to be drafted for sure.  Spencer Schrader and Dwayne Boyles might. 

21 hours ago, aroth said:

I read that it takes 8 votes to dissolve the ACC. I’ve seen Swaim speculate to: FSU, Clemson, UVA, UNC, NC ST, Miami, ND, Pitt, Syracuse, and UL all wanting out of the ACC. Based on his reporting they have the numbers to disband, so they should do that and avoid all this legal mumbo-jumbo regarding the grant of rights.

Unless they don’t actually have the votes and Swaim is making it up as he goes. 

This is wrong... it took 12 votes before they added SMU, Cal, and Stanford.

- NM -

15 minutes ago, The Great 8 said:

Given TV contracts I’m genuinely curious does USF add anything to a conference which has Miami already? In other words, will Miami already get to “count” all of FL for the ACC?

if this is the case, it seems like SDSU and USFs of the world might drop below UConn etc if the institutions in FL/CA already cover what those schools would bring.

 

maybe we need to hope for the ACC to lose its presence totally in FL, which is feasible with FSU to SEC and Miami to B1G.

Yes. Miami does not have much of a fanbase outside of South(ern) Florida... USF would allow the ACC to get viewers in the Central Middle Florida that UM does not attract.  (FSU currently covers those markets for the ACC).

7 hours ago, Bull Matrix said:

Basically the argument ender to whoever disputes what conference is better between big 12 & ACC. It is the fact that WVU, Cindy, & UCiF would drop the big 12 like a rented mule if the ACC sent them invites. Anyone disputing that are just blowing gas….

They won't be able to afford the exit fees or break the Big 12 Grant of Rights ... they're in the Big 12 for a while.

On 3/21/2024 at 9:05 AM, USF_Bullsharks said:

Ambitious definitely, but you aren't accounting for all of their channels, only the two primary (and ABC is ESPN's OTA channel).  Don't forget CBS and NBC, plus ESPN2, SECN and BTN. 

EDIT: Interesting that SEC has indicated kickoff times flexed by 45 minutes to have non-stop football. 

When I said "For Fox and ESPN - 4 to 8 slots is likely enough." I meant Fox Corporation and Disney, not the networks.

Fox has three networks, plus BTN which itself often broadcasts multiple games at the same time.  ESPN has four (five if you count ESPN News) plus the SEC network has it's own alternative channel.

And another thing to consider ... ESPN and CBS will continue to broadcast games for conferences outside of the P2.

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3 hours ago, CousinRicky said:

I was just browsing through and then one of those "tap on all the squares that show a chair" things came up. Tried hitting the back arrow but had to complete the task to move on. 

Sounds like a captcha was added for security... any ideas where it came from @Brad?  Did you add captcha to the login process as well as a timeout feature?

3 hours ago, USF_Bullsharks said:

12-14 timeslots per network family over Friday nights/Saturdays in-conference games

That's ambitious.  Time slots are three hours... so there would be at most eight per week per network for OTA broadcast (cable and broadcast):

• Thursday night (7:00pm and 10:00pm)
• Friday night (7:00pm and 10:00pm)
• Saturday (12:00 Noon, 3:00pm, 7:00pm, and 10:00pm)

But there aren't THAT many West Coast teams to have three "after dark" games across all of the networks... when you factor the limitations on some networks that have other prime time programming and other sports (such as auto-racing, golf, baseball, college basketball, NBA, NHL, etc) during some of these time slots.

Still, for Fox and ESPN ... having 4 to 8 slots per week is probably enough.  48 teams (2 x 24 conferences) would be 24 games in season... but if all 48 play non P2 out of conference, that would be 48 non-conference games to televise.

I missed this part of the tiebeaker:

When comparing records against a single team or collective tied teams (before ties are broken

So it's not just Tulane, but all of the 5-13 teams. Both Memphis and SMU are 4-2 against those five teams.

So then it reverts back to the record against FAU because of part d:

d. If the tie cannot be broken after continuing down through the last team or teams in the
standings, revert back to comparing records against the top teams in order and allow
winning percentage to prevail even if there is a comparison of unequal games. Only then,
if the percentages are both 1.000, is 2-0 better than 1-0. However, the reverse is not true
– no team gains advantage when all have a .000 winning percentage (0-1 is never better
than 0-2).

Thus, Memphis #5.

2 hours ago, flsportsfan83 said:

They are both 11-6 now, after the game tie breakers wont apply as one will be 12-6 and the other 11-7

UAB and SMU, right.

The loser will be 11-7 with Memphis.

12 hours ago, bcgruber said:

I think it would between the records agaisnt USF Charlotte, and FAU combined

No, it's one at a time.

12 hours ago, Jim Johnson said:

Memphis' 1-1 record against FAU gives them the tie breaker over SMU.  UAB's victory over USF, gives them the tie breaker over Memphis.

Therefore . . .

If SMU wins
#4 SMU
#5 UAB
#6 Memphis

If UAB Wins
#4 UAB
#5 Memphis
#6 SMU

I missed something in the tiebreaker if UAB wins, because SMU has already played (and beaten) UAB once... and the tie breaking procedures (as pointed out to me on another message board) says when one team is 1-1 and the other is 1-0 or 0-1, that team is skipped.

So this is the procedure between SMU and Memphis, if UAB wins - it comes down to who finishes #10.  UTSA with a win; Tulane with a Temple win.

#1 USF - Both 0-1
#2 FAU - Memphis 1-1, SMU 1-0
#3 Charlotte - Both 1-0
#4 UAB - Memphis 1-0, SMU 1-1
#7 UNT - SMU 1-1, Memphis 0-1
#8 ECU - SMU 2-0, Memphis 1-0
#9 Tulsa - Both 1-0

Possible #10 seeds:
UTSA - Memphis 1-0, SMU 0-1 ... UAB + UTSA win = #5 Memphis and #6 SMU
Tulane - SMU 2-0, Memphis 1-1 ... UAB + Temple win = #5 SMU and #6 Memphis

Memphis' 1-1 record against FAU gives them the tie breaker over SMU.  UAB's victory over USF, gives them the tie breaker over Memphis.

Therefore . . .

If SMU wins
#4 SMU
#5 UAB
#6 Memphis

If UAB Wins
#4 UAB
#5 Memphis
#6 SMU

6 hours ago, John Lewis said:

I wouldn’t call it blocking. It’s re routing for the Lot 6 parking pass members and it does help ease traffic flow for them.

The one issue with the re routing that @Ricky the Bull brought up was to have better signage coming off of 50rh Street and I would agree that it is needed, especially if there are weeknight sellouts.

I hope USF works with the City of Tampa to get 50th street widened to two lanes with a center turn lane before the OCS is built.  Given the donor lots that will be close to the stadium will be most easily accessed from 50th and Holly (rather than 50th and Elm) it could be a bit of a bottleneck mixing donors with the general public who may not know where to turn.

2 hours ago, Gismo said:

The southwest conference is just the state of Texas + Arkansas and OU lol. 

That is exactly what the Southwest Conference use to be.

Southwest Conference - Wikipedia

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