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    Future of College Sports TV rights/networks/services/etc.

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    1 hour ago, Rocky Style said:

    I was thinking about this a couple years ago.  If USF is savvy, they could end up making more money this way.  

    USF is getting about $8 million from the AAC television package.

    If a streaming package for USF athletics is $50 per year, that requires 160,000 subscribers... that's A LOT of people considering USF has ~20,000 season ticket holders for football and ~5,000 annual fund donors.

    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    3 hours ago, Mike Stuben said:

    I know most will roll their eyes on this post, but for some it might be helpful. 

    Endowment is donated money that can never be spent. The university can only spend the interest earned on the endowment (they use a complicated projection system, so they know in advance how much they have to spend). Most donations made are not endowment. 

    When we hear the phrase "endowed scholarship", someone is donating big money, where the interest alone is enough to cover 1 student's tuition for the year. Like lets say I donate $500,000 for an endowed scholarship. USF foundation invests my $500,000 and earns 3% (they shouldn't be making any risky investments), then athletics would get $15,000 a year forever, to cover one student's scholarship. 

    I am a huge believer every year in adding at least $100 to the endowment, which is an extra gift, as it does not count towards your Bulls Club level, club access, or seat location. 

    Endowment money CAN be loaned out (or put up as collateral to borrow against), however.  Happens all the time at schools large and small.

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    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    2 hours ago, USF_Bullsharks said:

    When it comes to Florida expansion for the B1G, Tampa/Miami makes far more sense than Tallahassee. If we can really continue to excel these next 3 years while FSU is in their legal battle - why wouldn't USF become a viable target for the B1G? Ultimately I think the best case scenario for USF is that FSU lawsuit takes a couple of years, USF (obviously) continues to win in media draw sports, we win our conference at least once in both sports, flirt with or make the CFP, FSU settles for a sum that no other ACC school can handle in the short term, and then FSU goes to the SEC and is paired with Kansas. This will not only open the door for USF to the ACC, potentially become a player for the B1G, remove the top remaining brand from the B12, stabilize the ACC further until nearly 2036, and (hopefully) increase support across the board for USF from fans, alumni, and local business alike. 

    Support, show up, donate. Go Bulls. 

    The thinking is ... by adding FSU you also add Tampa, Jacksonville, Orlando . . .  People watch FSU across the state.

    People barely watch USF in Tampa.  (Winning will fix that.)

    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    25 minutes ago, Cat941 said:

    https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article284626850.html

    Good article on UNC and NCST.  

     

    I subscribe up here...

     

    Among the unanswered questions surrounding North Carolina schools amid conference realignment in college athletics is this: Could political pressure, either direct or indirect, tie the University of North Carolina and N.C. State together, and keep them in the same conference? It’s impossible to know, or answer, but it’s a question worth pondering, especially as the UNC System Board of Governors this week discusses a proposal that would make it more complicated for state schools to switch athletics conferences.

     

    Q: What, exactly, is the UNC BOG considering?

    A: It’s considering a proposal that would give it the power to stop or delay a state school from moving from one conference (say, the ACC) to another (say, the Big Ten or SEC). More specifically, the board is considering amending its policy manual to require schools to provide advance notice of a potential conference move, and a financial plan associated with the move. The president of the board could then decide to reject the proposed move, outright, or, if the president approves, members of the board could also reject the plan. The language of the proposal suggests the yes-or-no decision would be tied to the financial plan (and not an explicit desire to keep schools together) but it’s unclear how this would all play out.

     

    Q: What’s it really mean for UNC and N.C. State’s athletics future?

    A: It’s not yet totally clear. At the least, if the BOG approves this measure (and there’s not much reason to think it wouldn’t), then in theory it’d become more complicated for any state school to leave its current athletics conference for another. In the most benign interpretation of this proposal, schools would be left to do a lot more paperwork before switching conferences. In the most nefarious interpretation, the BOG could simply stop any state school from any conference move, under the guise that the school’s “financial plan” isn’t up to snuff. Without a clear understanding of how a financial plan would be evaluated, and what matters, the process on the surface looks subjective. Certainly, it’d lead to a lot of consternation if the BOG rejects a school’s plan and desire to go to another conference, and such a move would raise all kinds of questions.

     

    Q: So would it be fair to conclude that this could be an attempt by the BOG to increase the likelihood that UNC and N.C. State remain together?

    A: It’s not necessarily unfair to think that. The stakes are high with major conference realignment, and there’s undoubtedly a lot of powerful people with strong opinions about how UNC and N.C. State should approach the future, and whether it’d be “good” or “right” for both schools to remain in the same conference. And let’s be clear, too: there’s no doubt that UNC would be a prized addition for either the Big Ten or SEC. Neither conference has a presence in North Carolina and, despite the Tar Heels’ never-ending struggles in football (the sport that is driving all of this), UNC is still among the most recognizable brands in college sports. N.C. State has improved its athletics reputation over the past decade and the Wolfpack arguably has the better football program. Still, in a realignment world driven by brand value and national name recognition, State is not desired in the same way UNC is. If a future in the ACC becomes untenable for State, there’s a chance the SEC could be in play, if UNC goes to the Big Ten. A more likely scenario in this hypothetical, though, is that State would become a target of the Big 12. Would it make any sort of sense for UNC and N.C. State, separated by about a 45-minute drive, to be in different leagues? It would not. But major college athletics has operated in a nonsensical way for quite some time.

     

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    Playoffs? Don't talk about - playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs?

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    11 minutes ago, Triple B said:

    Haven’t looked at other conferences’ teams ooc schedule so not sure that would hold up for all other G5 conf champions next year but it definitely would for Liberty. A 12-1 SMU this year would have gone to NY6 bowl over Liberty. 

    We have the toughest OOC compared to the teams that finished with the best records in the other G5 conferences (Toledo, Liberty, James Madison, and UNLV/Boise.).

    Obviously the games need to be played ... going 8-0 is hard for any team in any conference.

    This is more about the fact the article mentions USF rather than Memphis or Tulane or UNLV or James Madison or . . . perception around the country is changing thanks to Golesh.

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    Playoffs? Don't talk about - playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs?

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    23 hours ago, MMW said:

    We would have to beat Alabama at home to reach 11 imo.

    I dunno.... 8-0 in AAC play and win the Championship ... 11-2 with losses to Alabama and Miami? 

    Who's gonna be higher? Liberty maybe because their schedule is so soft... JMU, Toledo, and UNLV also have easier OOC schedules than USF.  Perhaps if they finish undefeated they could be ranked higher than USF.

    If USF beats Alabama or Miami and wins the CCG to finish 12-1 ... that has to guarantee a spot above anyone from the other four conferences.

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    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    Posted · Edited by Jim Johnson

    8 minutes ago, MMW said:

    Maybe the first year or two?  If I recall we sold it the Sombrero in our debut.

    Right... Raymond James was not even being considered when USF football was approved to start in 1994... and the Bucs started campaigning for a new stadium in 1995.

    But the Old Sombrero was built to attract an NFL team in the 1970s.  When it was built University of Tampa played there instead of their on-campus stadium (go figure).

    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    5 minutes ago, Bryson W said:

    I just wish we had more for basketball... it looks empty all the time and on TV you can tell they always try and pan away from the empty seats. If it was around 6k it would be a lot better environment. Maybe for the FAU game, we can pack the arena if both teams are doing well.

    In the early 1990s they used to get 6000 easy... but then students we sitting in the 100 level... moving students up to get more ticket sales is tough when no one is buying the tickets.

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    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    Just now, Brad said:

    Good point.  If that's the case, perhaps no reason.  At the same time, teams change conferences all the time here lately.  If I was building a conference to last more than the next five years, I'd go for the best teams, not the ones in G5 waiting on a rescue plan.  Maybe it's time for the conferences to get more creative than the teams and build something competitive, not something that will soon be cherrypicked and decay.

    Yes, but consider all of the Pac 12 teams had $0.00 in exit fees because their agreement was combined with the TV contracts.  SMU will have to pay something for leaving the ACC on one-year's notice (a slice of which will come to USF).  Texas and Oklahoma each paid $50 million to leave the Big 12 one year early.

    So if you were building a conference to last more than five years, you can't forget about what it would take for those teams to be available to you.  WVU would probably love to be in the ACC, but considering they've had to cut some sports, it's not likely they would try to raise the money to pay the exit fees to join your new club.

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    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    On 12/29/2023 at 10:51 AM, Brad said:

    I probably didn't ask that right.  Why do we think we're a top pick when there are plenty of P5 teams out there?  The GOR?  Ultimately the Big 12 and ACC should combine top teams and spit out the rest.

    The Big 12 GOR is virtually identical to the ACC GOR... the big difference that we know today, the ACC media deal with ESPN only goes through 2027 while the Big 12 with Fox and ESPN goes through 2031.  So if FSU gets out of the GOR because of the 2027 date, that won't apply to the B12 teams.

    The Big 12 also has a 99-year "membership agreement" that includes exit fees.  So any team leaving the Big 12 will be paying quite a bit to do so. 

    So ... much like the ACC --> B12 argument.  Why would [INSERT TEAM HERE] pay $50-$100M in exit fees to move to a conference where the media rights are about the same as they get today?

    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    26 minutes ago, USFBULL_08 said:

    I think the remnants of the ACC will merge with the big12 unless the tv companies can filter out some of the lower level schools.

    VT might be in for a rude awakening

    Never gonna happen.  The teams left will not want to associate with the Big 12 mostly because of academics.  Stanford and Cal, for example, had zero interest in the Big 12 just a few months ago.

    The remnants of the ACC will remain their own conference ... they will then add teams, perhaps out west (Oregon State, Wazzu) in Texas (Rice and SMU were part of the same conference for a long time), the South (Tulane, USF) and possibly adding U Conn.  It all depends on how many depart.

    But talk of a merger is wishful thinking by the Big 12 homers on the interwebs.

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