Jim Johnson

I just googled it and it showed 12k ... could be old data. 

USF's student section at RayJay is 12,500 when the full stadium is used.

3 hours ago, Bull94 said:

except the stadium wouldn't be full.....

nary a sellout this year. not even for #1 Georgia. barely 70% full(28,500). just another 2-10 (0-8) season for them. nothing out of the ordinary.

To be fair, Vanderbilt's entire enrollment is smaller than the USF student section at RayJay.

14 hours ago, BDYZR said:

Define athlete. Football, men’s and women’s basketball, baseball, softball, tennis, men’s and women’s lacrosse, etc. Or would they try that with only football and basketball?

Title IX my friend.  Any student competing on any team on scholarship (or not).

After reading this thread . . .

40 minutes ago, bull2bull said:

$300+ million does not get concrete support columns. Hate the skinny steel support columns holding up the stands. Looks cheap like a high school. It is essentially FSU's stadium...layer of concrete over a bounce house support structure. From underneath, it is going to look like FIU, FAU, UCF and FSU's stadiums......disappointed in that....is concrete support that much more....I guess so.

$340 million ... but that is not for the stadium alone.  The football and lacrosse building will take a significant amount of that.

5 minutes ago, TallyBull said:

East-west orientation and location of the tower should build in a significant amount of shade for the home side, plus the design will allow for adding additional shade structures later. I'm satisfied the issue has been addressed and not simply ignored like it doesn't matter (you're right, it very much does).

East-West also allows for better wind flow... the winds in Tampa tend to be more westerly, so the openings on that end of the stadium means more of a breeze.

Hawaii Bowl is off the list.
 

Jaren Mangham (RB) went to Michigan State

On 8/25/2023 at 10:13 AM, bulloni said:

https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

Based on overall recruiting talent on the roster the only team on our schedule that had more talent than us last year was Alabama. Assuming we lose that and beat FAMU.

That leaves us 10 games vs teams smaller, slower, and more under recruited than us. I think in year 1 breaking in a new system Golesh can win 50% of those.

6-6. We play a middling MWC team in the Hawaii Bowl.

On 8/25/2023 at 10:56 AM, Brad said:

My MGM bet was the under on 4.5.

However, I've evolved, full of optimism, to a six-win season.  So that's pretty good.

On 8/25/2023 at 10:57 AM, Bulls On Parade said:

Wku is going to be a huge challenge for this defense...likely they have best qb we see all year. 

So if defense looks improved and can get good pressure on qb even with a loss I could see them getting 6 wins. 

Also offense has me concerned we lost like 75% of production with Horn, Weaver and Battie.  We atleast should be good at qb and rb...receiver is just so unknown.

On 8/25/2023 at 1:06 PM, Outlaw said:

With the weak conference schedule and improved coaching there is no excuse to not win 6 games.  The issue is with have so much roster turnover and unproven head coach so it is hard to predict  my range is from 4 wins to 9 wins. So I'll go with 6 wins. I think Bama and Utsa beat usf no matter what because they have better coaches and production returning. I think we lose against wku to but I don't think wku will finish as strong as utsa. Other than that the schedule is weak and it's time to feed the bulls.

On 8/26/2023 at 8:33 AM, belgianbull said:

I picked 5 or 6 ( don't remember since I voted yesterday). I see wins against FAMU, Rice, UConn, Charlotte, and Temple.

Whatever happens against WKU I am looking at how the team improves throughout the year. With all the craziness around expansion we can't really afford to not at least win 4 games. I do think that Golesh can get us at least 4 wins year 1, and I am expecting 5 or 6 wins total.

This easy schedule sets up nicely for Golesh to have a fast start

Figured I'd check out this thread (at least the posts before week 1).  Good job to those who predicted 6 wins.

On 11/26/2023 at 1:47 PM, Roaming Bull said:

I’m disappointed that the Duluth bowl isn’t played in Duluth, or at least in Minnesota. Why have a Duluth anything bowl just for it to be played in hoelando? Smh

You ready for this one?

The DULUTH Trading Company, the sponsor of the bowl game, ... is not based in Duluth!  (It was when the company was founded...)

5 hours ago, 79 Bull said:

I believe the transfer portal is open now until January 2nd.  Under the new rules, the next one will be only 30 days in the Spring.  Am I wrong on this?

It doesn't open until Monday (the day after championship selection day)... and the spring window was reduced to 15 days (May 1 - 15).
 

4 hours ago, BDYZR said:

I think you are correct. In the meantime...

2024 College football Transfer Portal

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2024 College football Transfer Portal

 

The window is not open for all schools ... only for those who have fired their coaches (or graduate transfers, who can enter at any time).

3 hours ago, BDYZR said:

Do the guys in the portal play in bowl games? Do you think that would have any effect on when they would enter?

Technically, there is no rule preventing it.  However, entering the transfer portal tends to mean "I don't want to be on this team any more" so most schools consider it a form of quitting and only play the players who WANT to be there.

Besides, if a player wants to both play in the bowl game AND enter the transfer portal, they can enter the portal after the game.  The window is 30 days from December 3rd -- which is January 2nd.

This was expected to be a bit of a down year, relatively speaking, after losing our top scorer and our top inside player (the latter to the WNBA) and with Sammie out with an injury.

The team should still bounce back in conference play.

On 11/23/2023 at 1:55 PM, Cat941 said:

FedEx founder's family donates $50 million for Memphis football stadium renovations

SPORTS.YAHOO.COM

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It's the largest gift in Memphis history.

Bringing this over from the realignment thread.  This stadium seats more than 50K, correct?  The home of the Liberty Bowl.   I'm again hoping that our OCS is "large" enough to be attractive.  

It's the same design as the old "Big Sombrero"

On 11/19/2023 at 10:25 AM, Jim Johnson said:

This could be quite difficult.  Allow me to explain...  (TL;DR at the bottom)

First, 5-7 teams qualify for bowl games if there are not enough 6-6 teams.

In 2023, there are 41 bowls from the NY6 to the Myrtle Beach bowl.  That means 82 teams get to go bowling.  After this week there are 70 slots accounted for: 69 teams with 6 wins or more and the winner of the Army/Navy game.  Two of those teams are James Madison and Jacksonville State - who are not technically bowl eligible.  So there are either 12 or 14 slots still available.

Today, there are 23 others teams with 5 wins (not including USF).  On the list, Army and Navy are the only ones who play each other, and Navy has one more game against SMU.  In theory, all 23 teams could win their 6th game, meaning there would be 10-12 teams with 6 wins that don't go bowling.  Now, it is just as unlikely that all 23 teams win as it would be for all 23 teams to lose.  So it comes down to how many of the 23 teams win or lose.

Second, 5-7 teams are selected in order of APR.

USF was 69th overall in APR in 2021-2022 (the latest API available). While, most of the teams ahead of USF already have 6 wins, USF is tied for 16th place among the teams who are 5-6 (11 teams) or 4-7 (4 teams) this week.  So for USF to make a bowl at 5-7, 15 other 5-7 teams would need to be selected or win their 6th game.  (One of the 4-7 teams ahead of USF, Wake Forest, plays a 5-6 team, Syracuse.  Cuse is behind USF, so the winner of that game would get in before a 5-7 USF team.)

Scenario 1: USF wins and is in.

This is the best scenario.  USF control's it's own bowl destiny.  The AAC probably won't have enough teams to fill it's slots, so as long as USF gets to 6 wins USF will go to a bowl game.

Scenario 2: USF loses and needs (A LOT OF) help.

Okay, USF loses to Charlotte.  Before the message board burns down, let's look at the help USF needs... and boy is it a lot:

There are 68 or 70 slots accounted for (depending on JMU and Jax St), so let's go with 70 eligible teams for now, meaning there are 12 left to fill.

The winner of Wake Forest @ Syracuse will get selected ahead of USF.  Syracuse is 5-6 but behind USF in APR and would be eligible with a win; Wake is 4-7 but is ahead of USF in APR.  So we're at 11 slots left to fill.

4-7 teams ahead of USF in APR that need to lose:  Michigan State (vs Penn St), Ball State (vs Miami OH), and Middle Tennessee (@ Sam Houston St)

That leaves 22 teams that could all get to 6-6.

• 5-6 teams that are ahead of USF in APR (9 total): Minnesota (vs Wisconsin), Rice (vs FAU), Miss St (vs Ole Miss), UCF (vs Houston), South Carolina (vs Clemson), California (@ UCLA), Florida (vs FSU), EMU (@ Buffalo), Nebraska (vs Iowa). 
  • It doesn't really matter if these teams win or lose, as they would get a bowl game ahead of USF regardless of the result.
  • If they all win and get to 6-6 they take 9 of the 11 slots automatically.  If they all lose, they could still get slots ahead of USF depending on the results of the following 14 games.
• 5-6 teams that are behind USF in APR (13 total): No Illinois (@ Kent St), ODU (vs Ga State), Marshall (vs Ark St), Louisiana (vs LA Monroe), Colo St (@ Hawaii), Utah St (@ New Mexico), Wazzu (@ Washington), CMU (vs Toledo), Va Tech (UVa), TCU (@ Oklahoma), BYU (@ Ok St), Illinois (vs Northwestern)
  • A 5-7 USF needs 13 out of 14 of these teams to lose  (10 out 14 if JMU and Jax St don't get eligible).

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TL;DR:

1. USF wins and they are in
2. USF loses and can still get in if 12 out of 13 specific 5-6 teams lose this week; these are teams behind USF in APR.
3. IF JMU and Jax St don't get to go bowling, the number drops to 10 out of 13.

 

 

Just a note on the above.  USF cannot go to a bowl as a 5-7 team now.  There are 75 teams with 6 wins and too many teams ahead of USF in the APR rankings.

USF has to win tonight.

- NM -

13 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

MAybe we are getting a surprise and a blast from the past.

That is the scuttlebutt.  I don't know what the surprise is, but there will be a new uniform this week.  One that Golesh helped select, apparently.

50 minutes ago, SilverBull said:

I got roasted here for suggesting previously that USF should have more diligently pursued intergovernmental cooperation, planning and financing of a more comprehensive multi-purpose facility.  But it seems everyone covets control over good sense.  Very shortsighted IMO.

Not roasting you ... but I would assume (perhaps incorrectly) they looked at every possible source of funding.

However, let's not forget the Rays will stay in St. Petersburg because Hillsborough County and the City of Tampa did not want to provide any help for that stadium.  Plus state law limits funds for stadium construction... revenue sources that helped build Tropicana Field or Raymond James Stadium (hotel bed taxes, sales tax rebates, etc) are not available for college stadiums.  So local governments would have had to spend property tax dollars -- something that would have been very unpopular.

The City of Memphis is using state grant money for this purpose... not sure what the source of those funds would be, but Florida doesn't have many grant funds that could be tapped like that.

2 hours ago, BDYZR said:

I like the way you added teams. Gives USF a better chance.

USF will be on that side of the equation... it's a large public school with a significant athletics budget.

The problems that P5 schools talk about is having Ohio State, Kent State, and Youngstown State all playing by the same rules in Division I -- and there is some logic to that argument... but USF operates more like Ohio State than Kent State... My guess is we see some dividing line around $50 million in athletic budgets.

5 hours ago, Bull Matrix said:

USF will be there…

I don't get this.  It's not the P5 against the NCAA... it's the P5 against G5 and FCS.  It's a membership-based organization.  And those schools can't really "leave" the NCAA entirely for all of their sports (the way the NCAA, the NJCAA, and NAIA are entirely separate.)

Everyone seems to forget 1977... when Division I split.  That is what needs to happen with the FBS... a new division with it's own rules for 70-80 schools.

23 hours ago, Rocky Style said:

I would dig that!  Do I remember that Boston College was ranked #2 with Matt Ryan before us in the #2 ranking wheel of pain?

The week AFTER us:

13 minutes ago, Gatorbull325 said:

You act like we are the only ones stuck on a losing journey. If u r an older Tampa Bay gan they sucked for some years. Im a Saints fan and we started the paper bag over the head trend. Thats just how it goes for some teams. Ive seen plenty of perennially bad teams become good. If you lost patience, then take a break from football until we are a winning team. I'm enjoying the journey win or lose. But if you are no longer enjoying the experience or if it gets emotionally draining then take a break. I did it with my Saints many times during their really bad years. I really dislike Bobby Herbert. I hated him and the Saints for their loyalty to him. I feel this team is on the right track. Usually its more of "wishing" but now I believe it.

Bills fan here, Gator.  Losing journey is a way of life. HA!