Jim Johnson

29 minutes ago, Sk00b said:

I guess yall are just posting the fact they are having a meeting. That said, assuming they signed the contract, boo ******* hooo. Either get out the check book or honor the contract.

The meeting is to formally move forward with legal action to get a judicial interpretation of the contract - which is not necessarily binding on future courts (as I understand the process).  Basically, they are asking a court what their options are.

One lawyer's take on this:
 

20 minutes ago, puc86 said:

That’s a view I can get behind, really can’t understand the other approach though of only being happy being number one no matter what that list actually is. I guess that’s the same reason I don’t get I don’t care who we beat as long as it’s w’s. Aim for the stars and you may at least hit the moon but aim for the end of the block and celebrating making it out the driveway? 

Well, there are ways to compare schools... for example, USF is also #1 on the list of teams that moved from I-AA to I-A since 2000....  #5 of schools in Florida... #4 on list of schools with a shade of green as one of their official colors but #6 for teams with gold as a color... #7 on the list of "teams that played in the Big East at some point" ... #2 of all team playing in a "bay area"... #3 of all teams with "South" in their name... #22 on the list of animal mascots that are mammals,  #2 on the list of cattle ...

1 hour ago, puc86 said:

Everything truly is a matter of perspective but if you look at the list as going down, while others look at moving up the list if you go to 30k ft and look at everything are we really moving at all?

Golesh's first full cycle results in a Top 50 class in the nation... and the 4th best ever for USF... (the last Top 50 class was Taggart's first full cycle, and Golesh had to do it in the NIL era).

So, yes. We are ABSOLUTELY moving.

1 hour ago, El_Toro_86 said:

Great class by Golesh!  I like the way he's building this through HS recruiting rather than trying to plug every hole with a transfer.  Transfers can help but they don't help you build a foundation which is what Golesh is doing.  Kudos to him and his staff.  They have busted arse this year on the recruiting trail.

Gotta trust the process.

2 minutes ago, Cat941 said:

We're ahead of two other in-state schools.  Muy bueno.  

USF is ahead of all state schools except FSU.

45 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

But then the ncaa and schools would be losing their profits. This nil is a wolf in sheep's clothing having the fans pay the players instead of the schools. It really isn't any different then the U handing out Brown bags of cash or Reggie bush  getting cars,houses, and cash. Bush should sue back for his Heisman.  He was just ahead of his time because was a free thinker.

To be fair, NIL was not intended to be "fans paying players" -- the crux of the court case was EA Sports using real names and likenesses of players in their games without paying for that.  So NIL was SUPPOSED to be for the actual use of name, image, and likeness - which typically falls under the umbrella of marketing and licensing.

The NCAA doesn't really have an answer for the fact NIL has morphed into "legalized" pay-to-play.

Uh... this could have a bigger impact on basketball than football right now.

The NCAA is expected to appeal, and the next hearing has been set for Dec. 27. But for now, the NCAA is standing down on the issue. "As a result of today's decision impacting Division I student-athletes, the Association will not enforce the year in residency requirement for multiple-time transfers and will begin notifying member schools," the NCAA said in a statement.
 

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A U.S. District Court judge in West Virginia issued a ruling against the NCAA's transfer restrictions

20 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Ever since this guy said UCONN had a far bigger athletic budget than Memphis, I pretty much ignore him. 

He was right about that tho... $99M is far bigger than $62M.  (Source)

1 hour ago, Cat941 said:

 

Goes on to say this:

Next Expansion Move For The ACC? Add Kansas and UCONN or West Virginia. Or start the process of growing the western wing of the ACC by adding Oregon State and Washington State.

In a long post about how the ACC is stuck with it's GOR... he seems to forget Kansas and WVU have the same problem in the Big 12.

Nothing really NEW in his really long post.  Just a recap of everything we already knew.

6 hours ago, I like GOOOOLD (and green) said:

I appreciate the thoughtful response, I’m afraid there’s just too much wishful thinking to come to the conclusions you have though.

 You don’t know the acc will earn more than the Big12 over the next decade.  The Big 12 currently gets more and they will be able to go to market (again) by the time the supposed inflection point is reached where the ACC was scheduled to earn more.”; this isn’t ’in ‘32-33’’, they will be back in negotiations in 2029-30. The Big 12 has shown the ability to secure a lucrative deal in tough economic times already, something only two other conferences have done.  Further, they have put multiple schools into the playoff since they negotiated that deal which not only gives them even more money ‘than scheduled’ but also gives them credibility to the tv partners for another raise they most assuredly will get.  Let’s not forget that since you brought up the acc ‘growing revenue’ by adding the dregs of two zombie conferences that the Big 12 actually added viably positive revenue generators in new markets as well, far more so than the acc did.  Let’s now tackle the elephant in the room: basketball.  They’ve already cemented themselves as the runaway best conference there and are looking to break off into its own package deal, they’re already playing in Mexico.  They are going to get paid.  They’re probably going to be playing international exhibitions and getting paid for it.  They are so much more forward thinking that it’s borderline irresponsible to assume the acc will be better off.  Multiple schools in the acc will want that action beyond those that join the sec/big 10.

I concede your point the GOR may not open as easily with the three new additions.  I’m not sure that’ll matter in another 7ish years though.  I’m certainly not confident like you are.  

You're assuming the new Big 12 will be worth more per team than today when they start negotiating in 2029-2030.  That is also wishful thinking...  remember, the current Big 12 contract was not a new "go to market" contract -- it was an extension of existing contracts with ESPN and Fox.  With the shifting revenues, especially for ESPN, there is no reason to believe the Big 12 will do any better going forward.  As it was an extension, the Big 12 cannot formally go out into the market until 2030 (one year before the contract expires) -- and yes, I assume if the Big 12 goes that route that both Fox and ESPN will not want to provide that much of an increase.  That is because there are a lot of more expensive properties that expire before the Big 12.

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As for the ACC getting more than the Big 12 -- here is my source... this was in March 2022 when everyone expected the Pac 12 would continue to exist, but the assumptions remain true.  The ACC will pass the Big 12 in revenue per school in 2026.

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1 hour ago, Bull94 said:

ah I hadn't seen that. Interesting that it was dated before the article I posted.still needs unanimous support from presidents though.

The article you posted on NCAA .org is the current situation... and yes it does require unanimous support, which everyone expects to happen.

35 minutes ago, Triple B said:

That definitely makes more sense in that they're not just handing an extra playoff spot to a G5, probably knocking out a P5 ...

Since the end of the BCS, there has never actually been a guaranteed spot for anyone in the CFP ... "P5" is not a real thing -- it's media short hand and they are already changing to use "P4"... someone did an analysis of what the 6 + 6 model would have looked like going back, and only ONCE did two G5 teams make it because the Sun Belt and AAC champions were both higher than the Pac 12 champion (the 20202 Covid year).

The thought is that top 5 champions likely means 5 teams in the Top 20 at least... so we don't get an 8-4 U Conn in the Fiesta Bowl situation... if you go top 6, that 6th team might be outside the top 25.

It will not be 6 + 6.

The CFP board has to formally vote, but the Management Committee has already made it's recommendation.  The change will be formally approved when the CFP Board meets in January.
 

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College Football Playoff leaders continue to move closer to adjusting the postseason format in the wake of realignment.

20 minutes ago, Triple B said:

So is the Pac2 going to be considered as eligible for one of those spots?

No.  A conference has to have 8 teams.

6 hours ago, I like GOOOOLD (and green) said:

You’re saying schools like Louisville and VT would rather stay in an acc without Clemson, fsu, unc, and Virginia than go to a better conference that gets paid more money? We literally just saw this happen to a historically stronger conference than the acc, what’s driving you to think a different outcome will result from the same situation?

The moment the GOR opens up the only OG acc schools left will be the ones the other three conferences don’t pick up. I won’t venture to guess who goes where at this point but we now who will be left behind.  The big 12 absolutely is a part of the equation.  

1. The ACC will pay out more money than the Big 12 over the next decade, even without their top teams because ESPN can't rework the contract just because the composition of the conference changes -- as long as the conference remains above 15 teams.  The ACC network will continue to grow revenue as it expands westward thanks to SMU, Stanford, and Cal, plus when the Big 12 contract expires they will face the same stark reality the Pac 12 faced - they are not worth the money they think they should get.   So the Big 12's next contract will not be all that meaningful.

2. Also, the GOR will not "open up". The addition of three teams actually made this even more certain - there will not be 10 votes to disband the GOR and no court is going to throw it out.  Thus, the few schools leaving will be paying a ton of money to leave.  Louisville, Va Tech, Pitt, etc will not be able to afford the exit fees ... and they would have to give up their share of the money being paid by FSU, Clemson, etc -- which could be more than $1 billion in total.  By the time the cost to leave gets more reasonable in the 2030s, the Big 12 will have a new contract that will be on par with the ACC so even in 2032 or 2033 there won't be any real incentive to leave.

You can forget the Big 12 getting any current ACC team.

Coach says in the video that Mitch Wilcox was the last USF player to be invited . . . in 2009 ... that was 2019, Golesh mispoke.

On 12/7/2023 at 4:56 PM, gibbsak said:

Will he join Wright?

 

His mother posted on X, in response to an upset Gator fan, the decision was based on what's best for the family.

So this one is about NIL money as much as it about playing time.

26 minutes ago, I like GOOOOLD (and green) said:

Multiple schools are going to leave once the GOR opens up.  

Can't leave until they have a destination... and the Big 12 will not be one of them.

1 hour ago, USF_Bullsharks said:

I don't understand this move at all. 

Politicians love doing what they can to earn votes.