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This conference sucks. 

12 hours ago, Brad said:

His son is at $4.5 million NIL

HA!

Sanders Jr wouldn’t be earning that were it not for trying to get his dad to come in as head coach.

It’s part of their total compensation package to entice the Sanders to their university. Do you think Deion was only concerned with his salary when looking for his next stop? I’m sure his sons NIL was a big factor in choosing where he and his son would go.

I’m sure a lot of other universities have comparable or worse numbers, they just don’t report them like the tampa sports authority. They also don’t have an annoying reported like Joey. 

I always felt 40k was the right size for OCS, that was when we were in the Big East. With attendance trending down, I’m not at all dissatisfied with 35k. A large capacity that’s empty is probably worse. If we did 40+k for the same price, somewhere the level of quality would have to suffer. 
 

Dukes stadium doesn’t look so bad, and if you remove the track, you can get the fans closer to the field. 

P5s smallest stadiums.

35,000 Is small folks. We’d be one of the smallest in the p5 if we were in it.

NCAA college football: The Power 5’s smallest stadiums

THELISTWIRE.USATODAY.COM

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It’s time to flip the typical NCAA stadium list

1 hour ago, Cat941 said:

 

Without a contract you can’t know if it would raise or lower member shares. Recall new members can take lesser shares or no shares like SMU. 

5 hours ago, Brad said:

I remember when that line circulated through Bank of America about 15 years ago, every time you posted to move to a new position that was the most important interview question.  

Just because someone is running from something more than they are running to a particular thing, doesn’t mean they aren’t a great hire or addition to a team. 
 

But he is right in the importance of being honest and saying joint him and his staff in a losing program and turning it into a winner wouldn’t be easy. Filter for people who want to be there.

One thing I’ve realized is that Vegas lines and other predictions are really for people who don’t watch the teams play. And who has time? Fans are biased too.

It’s made up. 
Garbage in, garbage out.

It’s a garbage prediction. 

This weekly press conference was one of the best, if not the best I’ve ever seen. Really into Golesh’s approach to coaching and to life. 
 

Super stoked to see where he takes this team. I think he wins the conference by year 3.

7 hours ago, Bull94 said:

Listen I think this is a good job but many of our fans think it's a destination job. It's not.

Most of these guys want to compete at the top.

Of course it would make more sense to stay here over a mid-level p4 job but if a top 25 job comes along I wouldn't be surprised if he left.

It’s a top 25 job if you make it one. 
 

The big thing that becomes hard to turn down is millions. You get USF to a playoff and you will have offers for 2-3x with buyout probably in the tens of millions. You have to really value things money can’t buy, like location, to stay put. 
 

And it’s not just the salary. It’s the whole budget, the facilities, the belief you’ll have better athletes and therefore it will be even easier to win (“Hey I did it recruiting SEC and Big10 rejects at G5U, so with better athletes I’ll be unstoppable!”).

The only type of coach who isn’t going to jump at more money to a more competitive conference is one who:

1). Isn’t coaching for money.

2). Isn’t coaching for ego and status.

Finding any human whose ambition is not driven by either of those things is going to be difficult. They exist, but they’re probably less than 1% of highly “successful” people because their measure of success is some other value and therefore they don’t find themselves in positions that are associated with high status or high compensation. 

14 hours ago, hm101 said:

Good to see Rice winning. Not only rooting for them but it's good to see where other teams are at that we've played. i believe WKU has done OK since our game with them too. I think Bama is good too idk 

Bama is definitely down this year and there are no clear standouts in the SEC. 

2 hours ago, puc86 said:

I’ve always been firmly in the camp that when you are going the right direction in life that shows itself sooner than later and anyone that says they have to go backwards to go forwards or that you won’t see anything for years but then one day it’s going to miracle itself together is lying to you.

I believe the 1% improvements philosophy. Barely measurable at first then suddenly looking back it’s exponential. 
 

As the saying goes, you can accomplish more in a year than you think, and less in a day than you think. 

37 minutes ago, Sk00b said:

I'm not so sure. Building something from the ground up is different than inheriting a winning team/program. He will have full control if he wins championships here and I'm sure we will find money to pay him. Then again, he may want a similar challenge at the next level. Hard to say but i bet he goes more than three years either way. 

Impossible to say. If hypothetically he puts USF in the playoffs then he may get monetary offers USF cannot match, with resources and boosters and NIL that USF cannot match. 

But then he would have to weight being able to make the playoff at USF and keep building USF or trying to do it again in a more competitive league. If winning is the goal maybe a coach might turn down money. Maybe he decides he just likes Tampa for his family and wants stability. But USF is going to have to pay him as much as we can if he succeeds here. 

I think it largely hinges on USF having a path to the playoff with a weak schedule. The AAC is weak and even going undefeated won’t earn respect towards playoff eligibility. We shouldn’t schedule any cupcake games period. We should schedule all of our out of conference games against P5 members.  

3 hours ago, puc86 said:

How many people at Colorado are waking up this morning thinking we made a mistake we should have hired CAG? Neon took a 1-11 Colorado team playing in an empty stadium to a team competing to the wire against a national championship contender that has a Heisman trophy winning qb, in front of a packed home crowd, fox’s game day program and a national audience. We beat Navy, that’s not exactly the same thing but way better than things were.

We did that against Alabama. Give Golesh credit. 
 

Golesh is way more mature with much better coaching experience than Sanders.  

Sanders and his players lack of maturity is an embarrassment. 

Sanders isn’t a proven coach without his son who was a 4-star rated recruit with offers to SEC schools who went to play for his dad at Jackson State instead. Sanders has won with superior athletes, not coaching, but maybe he can win with superior recruiting only if he can get other great coaches on his staff. How does Sanders do coaching a team with a QB that he hasn’t coached since birth? He coached all of his sons high school and college teams. I’m curious to see what Sanders does when his son leaves college football. 

I’m very glad we have Golesh instead of Sanders. Also, that new coach Elmo at Duke in his second year looks like a good get, 13-5 so far at Duke, won a bowl game last year, almost beat Notre Dame this weekend. He’s got Duke winning without all of the media circus Sanders brings, although media circus can bring in money, ultimately winning is what matters. 
 

Thank you for sharing!

Even FSU couldn’t keep a winning coach. 
 

But I do have to wonder if guys like Taggart or Frost or Herman ever regret their moves. They both flopped at their next stop. They both built more competitive teams at the USF and UCF and Houston than they did at FSU or Nebraska or Texas. 

Their careers are proof that a coaches winning formula at one school in one conference often doesn’t work at another university and conference.

If you build a team that wins the conference and is winning new years bowl games or in the playoff conversion, it’s hard to be certain that success can be repeated at a different university. Now there are some truely great coaches like Urban Meyer and Nick Saban who win a national championship at two universities, but take a look at Jimbo Fisher who has yet to even win the SEC West after 6 years despite having won a national championship at FSU. 
 

Would love to see a winning coach turn down a bump in money and name brand and instead just keep winning where it’s been working for them. 

13 minutes ago, Rocky Style said:

I think all of these algorithms are hosed.  We are too weighted down by past performance or something.  It's like they can't account for this kind of turnaround in the models.

ESPN had us favored in that game before today.  

They can’t account for the coaching or roster turn over. 

On 9/29/2023 at 7:04 AM, belgianbull said:

I am still not sure really how this NIL works. To his credit Kelly has been able to raise a lot of money. We were able to find money for facilities and an OCS. So that tells me that the donors are there.  There just has to be more info available about how the NIL money is used and where its going to. I would be a 100 percent in in donating NIL money that specifically would go to keep a player like Brown.

Teams like WKU were able to keep their star QB, so I see no reason that we could'nt do the same. Tons of other examples where star players decide to stay at smaller programs. Its better to be a starter at a smaller program then have an uncertain future at a big program. just need to be competitive with the Nil money.

 

Transfer portal is somewhat of a double edged sword.

Skilled players will transfer to get a starting rather than sit on the bench at a Blue Chip program. This is especially true for QBs.

While it seems like with NIL the most well funded programs will just get all the best players with money, some argue that the ease of transferring and proliferation of NIL will result in less depth, and more talent spread around the league. The thinking being that the 2 and 3 deep will transfer to get more playing time, and still get NIL deals as the star player at another university. 
 

Wow, lots of amazing stats.

A lot of media in the past 24 hours writing about an impending Clemson and FSU move to the SEC. 

Smazza is right.

If and when USF moves to the ACC, the conference will have lost its slot in the playoff. The ACC will be a have not conference. 

4 hours ago, Cubanbull said:

Ok, everyone needs to take a deep breath nothing has happened yet.

1. Facts are that USF won’t get in ACC as long as FSU is there.

2. The Big12 took ucf and is at 16 members if they add schools ACC ones will be looked at before USF

3. The SEC has 16 members, the BigTen has 18, really doubt any of them goes over 20. So that means at most 6 ACC schools get raided. And honestly other than FSU, Clemson, UNC and maybe Virginia as both SEC and BigTen would like a member in that state. I don’t see any other that those two would want and increase or match their payout.

4. The ACC has 17 schools not counting ND. Even if 6 left for SEC/BigTen, that would leave 11. Even if Big12 took 4 so all three would have 20 that still leaves 7 ACC schools.

5. So it really looks that if the ACC would be raided by those three, they would still have 7-9 schools and would probably add schools like USF, Navy, Tulane, Memphis, Air Force, Colorado St, SDSU. To get to 16

is that better than Big12, maybe not, but it’s better than what we have now.

Example:

East

Syracuse, Boston College,Wake Forest, Duke, UConn, Navy,USF, Georgia Tech

West

Tulane, Memphis,SMU,Air Force,Colorado St,SDSU,Stanford,Cal

 

We can call It the AACC.

42 minutes ago, Cat941 said:

 

Basically this.

it’s all about eyes and number of fans. 
all of those Texas and fly over schools In the big12 are football hungry. For that reason, it might be a better conference for our football program. (I also think our rivalry with UCF is good for both university, and we should cultivate the rivalry to increase ratings if we are both in autobid conferences). 
 

Is the big 12 better than the ACC for non-football sports? For academics? For the athletes? 
 

A gutted ACC without Clemson, FSU, UNC…. It might be worse than the big 12.