Gismo

Given only money matters, can USF bring enough viewers to raise or maintain the ACC payout? 

That’s the only question that matters.

I don’t know how much “new” states makes a difference or not like it did 10 years ago. Today everything is streaming and cable packages are being dropped. You still want a big market obviously but it’s more about number of fans. Lots of schools with huge fan bases that aren’t themselves located in a big media market, just they have a lot of alumni and fans (most of the SEC). 

In that respect when looking for expansion candidates you have to give weight to the for sheer size of the student body as a proxy for how many new fans they can create each year through alumni.

Basketball… there is probably some small weight here.

Recruiting might also be a factor for football, but I’m honestly not sure the decision makers consider this at all.

Travel costs, this I think is a big one. Travel is a drag on athletic departments. Being close to Miami actually is a big saving here if Olympic sports can play USF and Miami in the same weekend. 

Academics don’t matter as long as the school is an accredited 4 year institution. 

Overall USF is a pretty solid expansion candidate for the ACC because of geographic location and student body. At 50k+ we have one of the largest student body populations of any non-P5 university. 

I think Stanford is a good example how despite location and academics, their student body and fanbase is just too small to be as valuable as the much larger USC and UCLA.

I think SMU has the risk of being too small to be a high growth expansion candidate. Do ‘new’ media markets still drive media rights values? I honestly don’t know, and does it matter if the fanbase is small or large? 

One thing is certain, as long as FSU and Miami are in the ACC, USF is not getting an invite. We’d have a better shot at the big 12 in the mean time (knowing SoFl - UCF would be ratings gold every year). 

For me it’s Rutgers in 2007. 
 

Not even close. 
 

I was at a watch party with about 30 people and man that loss was brutal. I was also a student and we just came off the high of beating WVU in a full Raymond James (I camped overnight for tickets with hundreds of other students for tickets). 
 

The nature of that season, the experience as a student, the excitement and the let down. No other season will come close to that unique fan experience of being the underdog who rose to the top. To actually be in the running for the national championship game… if I could extend the high and excitement with a win over Rutgers I would. 
 

34 minutes ago, Bull Gooner said:

Possibly related…

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This reporter is about ten days behind. 

Also, Bama can sleep walk through our match up. 
 

literally the most winning programming of late against the most losing program. 
 

a USF win is only possible with divine intervention. What insurance companies refer to as an “Act of God”.

Wow, the offense really does reset in the blink of eye! Never seen anything like it, can’t wait to see our new offense.

Unfortunately Brett McMurphy is the only reliable source in this mess. 

If there is any lesson here it’s that academics don’t matter. 
 

2 minutes ago, Bull Nut said:

I don't see how Stanford gets the votes needed from the existing ACC members. 

You don’t see it?

Stanford and it’s billions in endowments are buying the votes by taking less money. 

How about the AAC teams and the MWC teams just black ball the orphaned PAC teams for a year or two?

this coast to coast conference talk makes zero sense. Is a hardship on everyone except for football revenue. 
 

I really wish the world didn’t revolve around money all the time. 

2 hours ago, Jim Johnson said:

Uh.... no.

USF's athletic budget is about $68M.... WSU and OSU are $85M and $83M respectively.

They will be the same when they lose the old PAC money and USF gets new merger money

12 minutes ago, Cubanbull said:

Starting to look like the PAC4 are going to poach at least 4 from AAC. Kelly and our President better be on the phone with Stanford. Looks like the Tree is making the decisions.

I don’t think USF makes sense just because of geography. What would this new conference look like? 
 

Confused what is being proposed exactly.

1) is this a proposal for the PAC teams to join the American? What happens to PAC brand?

2). Is this just a proposal for a scheduling arrangement between PAC and AAC with no teams changing conferences?

3). Is it a proposal for teams to leave the American to join the PAC? 

Build Wins.

Build a trophy collection.

Build a list of NFL draft pics. 
 

These things we can measure. 
 

But how do I measure culture?

3 hours ago, KB said:

This was my take as well. Get on now, or you might not have a seat based on size of stadium and current season ticket holder and donor base.  

Our player told us they have seen stadium designs and renderings.  The coach with us said the football operations building is the thing they are the most excited about and will help recruiting even more than the stadium.  The players care more about where they train, eat, and sometimes sleep from Sunday - Friday more than they care about where they play on Saturday.   Sounds like the operations building will be state of the art and the Selmon Center is getting cramped. 

Coach with us also said the Claw land will be redeveloped into student apartment/housing  with retail and bars and restaurants on bottom floor.   Places for students/alum to hang within walking distance to new stadium. 

The event overall was great. 

Go Bulls!

Thank you for this insight!!!

This years schedule is truly depressing. I must say, this is a new low since losing Houston, Cincy, and UCF. 
 

Our thanksgiving game is Charlotte who I never even heard of until I checked the schedule this morning. I’m not convinced some of the additions to the conference really increase the value. 
 

Any coach we have should be able to dominate our conference simply with better athletes with our recruiting location. 
 

Admin needs to be all in on building up our fanbase from the existing students and the OCS. An increased fanbase and TV viewers is our only way to up our revenue either by AAC media rights or hoping to a conference with higher revenue. This is why the Big12 took UCF, they’re way larger with more engaged fans and students. More viewers. 

The weekday curse. 

20 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

Big day tomorrow with the USF luncheon. Hopefully some info is leaked 

Hard to beat the troll rigging on display here. 
 

Is USFs fanbase large enough to bring value to media companies who carry our content for the ACC…? 

Literally the only thing that matters is dollar figure flowing from media to universities. Academics, fans, athletes, students, those things don’t matter in realignment.
 

The only value USF might have is for recruiting exposure in Florida. The ACC already has Miami which has a bigger fan base and provides Florida media market. USFs fanbase isn’t big enough to make a dent in the media contracts. 
 

Our only hope is winning, and the OCS printing more fans. Then maybe we somehow get enough interest to be invited to another conference, or we make our destiny and the AAC teams somehow increase their fans and negotiate a better deal themselves for media rights.

5 hours ago, TheUpperHand said:

I’m just hoping the team is fun to watch this year. The Gulf Coast Offense was some of the  most enjoyable football I’ve seen from us. I want to get back to that. No more ‘Clemson progrum culture’ nonsense or Sleepy Charlie bull. Need some energy. The level of competition has fallen so much in the past decade, we better be able to claw our way to the top of the conference.

This. 
We should have the highest recruiting classes among our G5 peers along with a much stronger fanbase. Hopefully the OCS puts us on that course.

Our biggest problem should be keeping winning coaches, not getting conference wins. 

13 hours ago, Triple B said:

I'm assuming on the Gonella run they weren't allowed to actually tackle him .... ?

Looks like it, but you really should practice like you play. How do they practice real tackling these days?

Face it. USF doesn’t add value to the media rights for the P5(4?) conferences.

We just need to dominate our G5 conference. Keep the students engaged with the OCS to grow the fan base. Maybe we’ll get the G5 playoff slot every few years. 

11 minutes ago, Cat941 said:

So no USF in the ACC, B12 and/or the SEC since they already have a FL team.  That leaves just the BIG and that's such a long shot.  

The big10 has FSU. 

SMU? Seems random.

Take away the finances. 

Is the big 10 or ACC better for FSU?