MMW

7 hours ago, I like GOOOOLD (and green) said:

The simple answer is money.  In multiple ways, not just getting more money moving to X conference.  There’s consolidation happening and fewer partners willing to buy.  There’s a lot of fat to trim in the acc, more than the pac had.  

I don’t think there’s going to be a crap ton of playoff spots imo.  The acc is probably going to be a one bid league most years, even with Clemson and FSU still members.  The other three leagues are going to take 10/12 of the spots every year while the acc, mwc, and aac fight each other for the other two spots.  This is until they renegotiate the playoff structure again.  

I thought the ACC champion was guaranteed a spot?

I could see the second place team between Miami, FSU and Clemson getting strong consideration if they're are highly ranked.

Just now, Rocky Style said:

Well that's nice. 

That's how it goes. Everyone thinks they're better than their league mates.  It's happening all around.

It's too bad people just can't be satisfied with who they're playing

5 hours ago, Cat941 said:

Reading some posts on another realignment board and the sense I get from it is that the ACC fans (and other P4 fans) have no desire to dilute their revenue by adding USF.  I'm not seeing a lot of support for promoting us, even if FSU leaves and they are backfilling.  Some posts go further to say that the ACC should look to pull in UCF which is ridiculous with the B12 GOR.  It got me thinking that forming a new subdivision as the NCAA is proposing, might be a way to belong without requiring an invitation to a new conference.  Could be beneficial in that we would have to buy in and invest in order to meet the requirements of participation.  Should be a much smaller group of schools that opt in compared to the current number in FBS.  Can't exclude us out of fear.  

The old Big East really hated being in a league with us, I'm not surprised.

10 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

Hope you are not buying into that Bonzai BS In thinking the ACC is going to implode. The ACC is gonna be fine even after losing FSU and Clemson. I don’t see the big ten expanding soon so I believe ACC picks up UConn & USF and stays strong.

Since they already have California and Standford, what are the possibilities they pick if Oregon State and Washington State?

39 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

Why the heck would they schedule something that important on New Year’s Eve. Think this is more BS mud from that MHver character lol

It may be mud but it says Jan 31st

26 minutes ago, Triple B said:

You may want to re-frame that somehow ..... that is a loser mentality

I agree.  I just want to see my bulls win games consistently again.

24 minutes ago, Cat941 said:

 

 

This does not feel like a good development for our school.

Of our Big East bretheren who made out better that Rutgers?

How comfortable is UCF about now?

19 hours ago, BULLSHTR said:

in some regional conference with Miami, UCF, and FAU (maybe FSU too).

Doesn't sound bad but wouldn't Miami be with the big boys?

15 minutes ago, Rocky Style said:

Still I would rather play than maybe play.  

They all think they will play.  They have 18yo egos and probably dominated in high school.  

25 minutes ago, USF_Bullsharks said:

Tampa Bay provides some of the highest quality of living in the US. Sure, it's become far more expensive over the last 3 years, but Tampa is one of the best all-around places to be. 

The problem with that? 18-21 year old football players don't care - they care about what is best for them and at that age - exposure, development, and cold hard cash are king. Now, some kids may go north and figure out the weather stinks and they transfer home, but they still went north to begin with. We have to become nationally relevant and competitive in exposure, development, and cold hard cash before "this is a nice place to live" starts to change kids' minds. 

Everyone has egos and that not a slight.  We all do.

These are 18-year-old kids. The jocks are trying to get into the most prestigious programs athletically and the nerds are trying to get into the most prestigious school academically.

It's brutal because in both cases they could get squashed.  Harvard has the bottom quarter just like every other school. Those kids have never seen a b in their life and now they're in the bottom quarter.

Alabama has people that'll never see the field. Athletes that are probably freaks of nature.

It's a rare 18-year-old that would turn down either school if offered.

34 minutes ago, 00Bull said:

Yeah I’m sure everyone at FSU wishes they were at USF. Your apparent dislike of football is clouding your ability to reason.

Yea that is exactly what I said. 

You might want to keep that strawman away from the fire.

16 minutes ago, Friscobull said:

I knew what it was from a post a few years back by NEB however didn’t find the value to exceed the benefit of a successful team playing better opponents.  Your take is either ignorant or disingenuous considering we are on a sports message board.  Get off your high horse and admit you are full of ****.
 

I am on a sports message board but I am not an ingorant knucklehead.  I am the one advocating academics and student experience over P5 membership. 

You guys are chasing your tails.  USF will never be invited to the big boy table for football. They don't want us there, it is all about money and we are like Oliver with an empty bowl of mush asking for more.

There is a certain utility for having a football team at a college.  It is a fun activity for the students to get drunk at and stumble around at.  I went to Rutgers for my undergrad, we got killed every week but we didn't care.  It was some of my fondest memories tailgating on a fall day and comisserating with my friends.  I can't even tell you who we played.  The ivy league school's figured that out.

By and large the students don't care.  Only some of the people on message boards care.  Nobody in the real world pays any attention to conference realiment.  

My kids are in college now (UF/FSU) and the message is that they are preparing them to get jobs afterwards.  I had to explain to them what a conference was and which ones they were in - they still don't care. 

USF's AAU raises it's the academic prestige.  Gallagher called it "drive through U" back in the day.  That was funny but it significantly diminished the value a degree from USF. 

AAU status goes a long way in repairing that reputation.  There are only 69 members in that club.  It is a shorthand for saying - nope its a quality school.  You can bet your ass that FSU that is undefeated in football right now is kicking themselves.  We are in an enviable position.

11 hours ago, Friscobull said:

Most of us including you didn’t really even know what AAU was and now you guys would rather have this than multiple NY6 bowls and a P5 conference?  Absolutely outrageous mind boggling post, this helps some of us rationalize our years of shat performance, we all do what we can to cope I guess.

I love when people are ignorant to something and project it on to others.  "Hey I am too stupid to know about XYZ so you must be too" is really not the argument you think it it.

1 hour ago, keith S said:

Perfect.

 

Soon we will have our small Dallas high school football stadium so 20,000 people can watch us play in the Metro football league.

The schools should be preparing them with the skills needed in their careers.  The reputation of the school and the education they receive help to that end.  AAU helps in that regard.

The program should be for the enjoyment of the students who attend the school.  It's part of their college experience. The OCS helps with that 

Beyond that, how the team plays and who they play only matter the fat middle aged men.

2 hours ago, Peatearpan said:

Idk, Judy’s job was to run the school. I think she was great at that. Skip was hired for his name, his success at ECU, and his track record of not “allegedly assaulting a player”. I think Judy was trying to hire someone for pr/damage control purposes

Without Judy, we would have ended up being C (football wise, yay! Education wise, nay!).

Our school is better for all of this, and we are doing things rights. Trust the process.

I mean, come on now, you are not allowed to talk sense.  

I know it will not be a popular opinion on a football board but as much as I want my bulls to kick ass on the field I would take AAU over the success UCF has had recently.

It would be great if the PAC2 can rebuild.  I kind of feel like its a long shot.  It sucks for the schools that were left in the dust.  I think we all know what they are feeling about now.

So where do we fit in?  I would like to be in a conference with teams that want us.  That like being in a league with us and vis versa.  I don't know if such a league exists.  It sure wasn't the Big East.  The Syracuse board sounded exactly like many on this board throughout our shared membership.  They couldn't get away from us fast enough.

I don't think the ACC wants us, the B12 should consider us but likely won't, B10 - AAU baby! but nah, SEC - ha!

Pac2 Rump?  I am game. 

8 minutes ago, UCF_rustbucket said:

The PAC isn't retaining it's power 5 status, which is separate from autonomy status which they should keep. There's not a hard set definition but we can probably boil P5 status down to big tv money and an automatic NY6 bowl tie in. We can probably add voter perception in how the teams get treated in the polls but that's harder to quantify.

The TV money is going away. OSU/WSU were the only 2 PAC teams that the media powers didn't save in any of their other power conferences. Adding them to the existing MWC or some combination of a best of the rest will get you something a little more than the current AAC deal. Maybe $7M to $12M per team. Not awful but a gulf between that and the ACC/Big 12 and their $30M.

Next is the autobid. With the CFP expanding to 12, all the current NY6 bowls will now rotate between 4 being quarterfinals and 2 being semifinals every year. So the Rose Bowl as a regular bowl with PAC vs B1G tie ins won't exist anymore. 

For the playoff autobids, there's no set bids for specific leagues. It's not spelled out to be SEC champ, B1G champ, etc ... And G5 champ. It's just the highest 6 ranked champs. The goal is 1 for every P conference and 1 for the G5. But with the PAC 12 thoroughly raided, the CFP committee is now pushing for 5 champ bids instead of 6. Aka, they're acknowledging that there's now a P4 and not a P5. This still maintains the same structure of giving every P conference an unofficial slot and the G5 one shared slot. Unofficial because on paper, multiple G5 champs are eligible for those spots, but reality of how the voters rank the teams is that you'll only have 1 G5 champ in that range. The PAC 12 as P5 league is dead.

It would be great if they could have a league champ system with 4 at large teams.  

4 - P4

4 - G5

4 - @ Large

The @ large teams can play the G5 teams in the first round.  

49 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

Watching future ACC conference pals Miami vs BC. Won’t be long before USF is playing Miami during rivalry week. Think Uconn may end up in ACC too and can play BC during rivalry week 

What did I miss?  Did we get an invite?

11 hours ago, Bullfrog said:

Yeah I’ve been wondering this too. I thought that when Bucs play away, we got endzones painted and a big USF logo in the middle.

This year, it’s been empty endzones and a small white USF logo in the middle of the field. Is Raymond James stadium dissing us because we’re moving out in a couple years?

I don't know but it's **** like this, having to be happy that our logo is painted midfield inside a white flag, that I won't miss.

14 hours ago, Cat941 said:

Please discuss. 

This suggests schools are added by their current rank in sports.  

24 minutes ago, puc86 said:

Other teams are doing it, other teams with not more to offer. If we wanted it more than SMU there is no reason we couldn’t get it. The OCS brings absolutely nothing to the realignment table and is negative equity that makes taking a lesser share a scarier proposition than it ought to be. If you ever get the specs of the OCS and then put them up against the specs of Ray Jay and ask a conference with nothing else to consider which would you want, Ray Jay will get the nod 10 out of 10 times. If such a big deal wasn’t made about the rust bucket being a pos no one would be hyper focused on wrongly attributing it to having anything to do with why UCF got in and we didn’t. UCF made good hires and we hired the absolute worst people in every position, it’s really that simple.

Let's just agree that your plan is great and move on.  

Somebody get the SEC on the phone, or was it the ACC.

The harsh reality is nobody wants to be in a league with us.  If we get pulled into the ACC it's because better teams have left. Every team in that league will be heading for the door just like they were when we were in the Big East.

We are not worthy of those leagues.  Their fans would not want to watch their team play us any more than we enjoy playing and losing to UAB.

23 minutes ago, puc86 said:

Yes when teams you are calling up are passing you by and you remain still calling up the next teams that will then pass you by you need to question your strategy. SMU moved up, that’s more than enough to fire everyone and start over from the ground up. We do not seem to grasp clearly enough that moving up is the only thing that matters, doesn’t matter how we need to move up now! The OCS error is an expensive distraction that has handcuffed our ability to be lean and nimble.

Bravo, yes, let's move up now!

Unassailable logic so you must be right about the OCS as well. 

9 minutes ago, Bulls On Parade said:

Was exciting seeing us turn around and they did absolutely nothing with momentum we had gained...3+ more years of play at that level or better we wouldn't be in this current conference. 

Hopefully we turn around again this time we capitalize and take it serious.

Yes, I hope so too.

These things never happen in a straight line.

47 minutes ago, puc86 said:

Everything was exciting in the first 12 years as we were having the greatest climb in college football history, conversely the last 13.5 years have been unnecessary, cold, dark and sad. Figure out how to be as appealing as SMU or get out of the way because this is not fun for anyone.

What, huh?  Sounds like you are unhappy puc.  Am I reading that right?

I think your logic is unassailable, we would be much better off in a bigger league, better players, with more fans and winning all our games - including a league title.  

I think we should do that, let's do that!

While I wait though I'm just going to enjoy watching us win whoever we play as we climb out of the chasm the program has fallen into.  I mean, that's all I got.