Joe

RIP Herman_Momart and Ari_Finkelstein

Re: Conference only seasons

Don’t out think this guys. It’s easier if to reschedule virus delayed games if you’re a entity controlling 10-12-14 teams than a giant entity controlling 130+ teams.it has nothing to do with distance, and everything to do with logistics. Most non-revenue sports will be going Conference only with a touch of regional games. (if played at all)

You’re going to see two things at a lot of schools.

Sports cut. Severe regionalization. 

Why send women’s soccer to Missouri or wherever when we have so many teams in state.

LOL.

no.

This board’s “Greatest head coach ever“ continues to be an assistant...

No. This is not true. Scott has been USF’s top target. They’ve talked to other coaches, but the focus has been on Scott from the beginning. 

I won’t mind Taggart back...but I caution. It took **** Tomey and a high school coach to save his ass here. They got him to trust his assistants and let them coach. 

He ignored all that at FSU.

21 hours ago, JTrue said:

While I agree facilities are a factor, coaching is waaaaaay more important. The coach is the boss and you're lying if you say you'd work for a ****** one just because you had a slightly nicer office to use once or twice a week.

It’s about attracting talent. Just pointing to the G5 level, you can have a great coach and struggle to attract talent when you don’t have the guns to do it. what is USF’s selling points? Location. A NFL stadium. 

Compare that to Location. Indoor practice facility. Football only weight room. On Campus environment. 

I agree with this post. I’ve said it multiple times, it won’t matter who the next coach is. Our facilities are so far behind it’s laughable. 

We’re going to struggle to bring in a decent head coach. 

College football has changed in the last 7-8 years. A middling school like Clemson became a power because they spent insane amounts of money on facilities. Alabama has carried a strong program for the same reasons. G5 schools like UCF and Cincy have dumped money into facilities.

4 hours ago, Bull94 said:

of course you believe that.  that's what you have to sell to your donors.

plenty of coaches have been successful with limited facilities. plenty of programs aren't successful even with top notch facilities.

in the long run it would be great to have shiny new facilities but they are not the reason why UCF passed us.

Us making a (2) bad hires is why they passed us. Taggart had 3 #1 classes in AAC without facilities

South Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas have better facilities than UF according to this article. Not to mention Northwestern, Oregon State, Texas Tech, TCU, Florida State, etc.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Alabama-football-Clemson-Tigers-Nick-Saban-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-LSU-college-facilities-rankings-2019-134061740/#134061740_1

I’m in compliance.

If you believe facilities don’t matter you’re a fool. The data directly connects it. There is a reason FSU went to crap and Jimbo left. It’s hard to recruit a kid when they’re looking at a school 80 or 180 miles away that has a football only facility with an indoor practice facility.

Trust me, schools don’t want to have to build these which is why Florida and FSU held off. It allowed a largely marginal school like Clemson to build. It allowed Georgia to become a consistent power. It allowed Oregon to rebuild so quickly. 

Just now, Bull94 said:

agreed.

lack of facilities are just an excuse for failures

 

That’s just patently untrue. UCF won a BCS Bowl before Frost.

As someone who works in major division I athletics facilities are everything these days and though who committed to them ten years ago are thriving. Those who didn’t are struggling.

1 hour ago, BayIslandBull said:

Seems to have worked in oviedo... 

That and they’ve dumped millions into football specific facilities. It means a lot more these days then just nailing a coach.

16 hours ago, TheGreatOutlaw said:

Usf campaigns  for and promotes their academics more than athletics.

Every school does. 

1 hour ago, TheGreatOutlaw said:

We didn't win a top 6 big money bowl. Our University takes most of it's donations and put the money towards Academics. 

What? No. This is not true. Donations tabbed specifically for the athletic departments go to athletics here, just like any school.

Schools aren’t taking general donations for academics and throwing it at athletics. What the writer was saying is that the school has asked for specific donations (medical, Marshall Center) and that has probably affected athletic donations because of the limited pool.

8 hours ago, Jonesy Bull said:

Not sure I totally agree with this.  We had the vision to bring in a pretty good basketball coach.

Agree, the CCS decision looks to be a big faiure.  Still think KB COULD get it done here in time, but time does not appear to be on his side. 

We continue to look unprepared and out classed.  Thats obvious, time for a change unless the highly unlikely happens and we turn it around this year.

I like the young up and coming offensive minded OC approach from a high profile P5 program.

I still believe in Mike Kelly to get this right.....Patience boys and girls.

Completely disagree. They built a program and a culture. It didn’t happen overnight, but it happened with several years of commitments. Stadium. Facilities. Student base. Alumni base.

Even when we were winning, we struggled to get students out. Struggled to get alumni involved. Didn’t make a major commitment to any facility upgrades.

USF HAS to mimic that.

8 minutes ago, usfgrad84 said:

Football is quickly slipping back into the McCullum basketball mode. From a fan interest regard, we are hopefully, finally coming out of that funk. 

The apathy of the less than extreme die hard fan has already set in.  My guess is at this point people actually showing up at the stadium are either season ticket holders who have already plunked down cash or opposing teams' fans. 

All Kelly needs is to take a look at the stands just after halftime. It is embarrasing and rather disgusting. 

It's not just the losing, but rather the way. 

It was like that when we were 10-1 in 2017. That Tulane game before UCF’s game was so poorly attended it was a joke.

The program has been lifeless for years. It’s time for a reset and commitment to creating a new culture.

1 minute ago, brybull1970 said:

I think its time to bury the choke hold and make a call to a guy up in Tallahassee - and not Willie T. You want to see a reinvigerated fan base that would be a relatively inexpensive option if he would take the call.

 

Never happening, nor should it. 

The program as a whole needs a reset, and going to the past isn’t going to help.

14 hours ago, Nick Carroll said:

I see a lot of negative comments on this thread. This is a challenge put on us season ticket holders to get more people to the game that may not go otherwise. Y’all wanted more butts in the seats but mock when a company is trying to help do just that. Just tired of the negativity. Yes we all hate losing but it doesn’t help to complain the access to free tickets. Over it. 

Sports marketing 101: Free tickets are a bad bad idea.

Ask anyone in the business.

Georgia Tech is maybe a 4-5 win team. In for a long year...

12 hours ago, TallyBull said:

We should take a clue from our betters (P5) and stay at 11 in football UNLESS we can add a team that increases the overall money pot for the conference, and I think there are only a couple of schools (not already in the P5) that could do that: Boise or BYU. 

That said, I could live with Army joining because having both Army and Navy in our conference would be awesome IMHO.

We’d have to play a round robin if below 12. That’s the only way the Big 12 got their waiver.

we’re adding a team

20 hours ago, chapelbull said:

I didn't say anything about turning a profit.  It can be a valuable piece to the Ybor City/Channelside corridor

In what regard? The area is already built up. It’s packed most nights. That’s part of the reason they aced the plan.

Its been proven by every major economics expert in this country that baseball stadiums don’t enhance the economic impact to an area.

The issue is the Rays want a billion dollar stadium, and there is zero data to back up the idea that (1) it’s not a loser for the area and (2) that fans will show.

14 hours ago, Basketball Jones said:

Are you suggesting that Florida will do the same thing Texas did and cancel their game at Ray Jay

No shot. Florida gets a “home” game in Tampa

The fans will come! No greater honor than hosting the CBI quarterfinals. Participating in the Gasperilla Bowl in our home stadium was close and the attendance was through the roof for that.

8 hours ago, Rizman said:

For those that might know IncrediBull, we lost him this week.  He passed from a long battle with ALS.   He was a diehard USF fan and Football season ticket holder from the beginning and also shared Basketball tickets with me.   Anyone who knew him or meet him at Capogna's Dugout probably would have seen his passion for all things USF.   At one time IncrediBull served on the Alumni association board and managed the Pinellas county chapter.    He leaves behind his wife and three daughters.  IncrediBull was a devoted father and husband and they will miss him dearly.  For those who knew him and want more information on the service next week please drop me a note through thebullspen message system. 

 

 

I don’t get to post on here as much...he will be missed. RIP buddy.