Seth was here for what?  Six years?  He had about 11 players on the team each year give or take one.  All in all he probably had around 35 different players in six years.  Your post says 50% of those players were on academic probation meaning about 17 players in 6 years.  I want the names of those 17 players S. Bien.  I also want the dates of the alleged drug tests that BB Waldon failed.  You are asking where I derive my facts? I want to know where you get yours. The original point of my post had nothing to do with our "administration".  I don't see where I ever said that.  My post is that people like you put on blinders when it comes to our football team yet bash Seth for not running a clean program.  I don't care how many players he has on his team, some of them get in trouble with the law/academically etc.  Your argument about the percentage of players to coaches is pointless, we are supposed to be recruiting upstanding citizens regardless of the sport.  Both programs have had numerous suspensions yet you bash Seth and laud Leavitt.  Stop being a hypocrite.  How many players did Seth actually suspend at one time or another.  He drove away the problem children like Kelvin Brown after disciplining/suspending him numerous times.  He suspended/ disciplined on numerous occassions the following: BB, Altron, Brittain, Will McD, Terrence Leather and probably several others that escape me.