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    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    14 minutes ago, michibull said:

    I thought I read that the Big 12 commish said 14 was his number he wanted to be at by 2025. I actually believe that we need to be one of those 2 teams or we are screwed pending any ACC blow up in 10 years or an ESPN bankruptcy. Everything hinges on the B1G and SEC, which nobody knows what they are doing and when. 

    He did say something like that but he can't make expansion moves unilaterally. The university presidents have to support it. There's nothing official but the vibe seems to be no to G5 and non-football adds for now. Which makes sense with the PAC in flux now and the ACC at a crossroads when their tv deal runs out in 2036. There's no rush to add G5 teams unless you've been poached and need to stabilize like the PAC 12 last year or the Big 12 2 years ago.

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    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    1 hour ago, Bull Matrix said:

    Now with rumors going around that UConn won’t be joining big 12 it is beginning to look like we will see the ACC/PAC 12 alliance. This must be the huge bump that we keep hearing about. East & West coast alliance. 

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    An alliance like this won't be a huge bump. Why would it be? At most each ACC and PAC team would replace one of their OOC FCS/G5 home games with a P5 home game. So that would leverage some more money but not a ton. Everything else on the schedule remains the same. 

    Looks like the war on I-4 may return

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    38 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

    Maybe Heupel was too busy looking for other jobs but to me he seems like a solid coach. Still young & hungry for national championships. Not sure Gus will be as hungry but the big 12 challenge might get him back on track. UCF had no business barely beating a bad USF team two seasons in a row and getting blown out by Tulane & Duke. I’m sure there are other UCF fans that feel the same way. I wish you the best but traveling in big 12 won’t be easy 

    Heupel is a solid coach and a really good guy off the field. Just clarifying he wasn't the one who elevated UCF, Frost gets the credit for that. But he's also not some bad coach like some UCF fans bash him to be. Heupel also had things like the Milton injury and then a bunch of defensive players have an off field issue that resulted in them being dismissed. So things not really that were his fault.

     

    The end of season slide last year was a mixture of injury to JRP and our DC checked out since he eventually left for Arkansas. But the JRP injury falls on Gus. Our pass game has to open up or else our running QB gets beat up. Then you're left with an offense that's not great for passing and most backups not able to run the same way JRP does. Got a new OC so hoping that shifts things a little. 

    Looks like the war on I-4 may return

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    26 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

    This is hogwash. Heupel is probably one of the best coaches that UCF has ever had. Seeing what he is doing at Tenn makes your response look insane lol. Gus is a washed up coach and you will find out soon enough this season. Stay tuned 

    He's not terrible, but he was likely going to be keeping us constantly in the 7 to 9 win territory once Milton and some of the Frost recruits were gone. Offense could pummel bad and average teams, challenge some good ones, but any team above that could find ways to shut it down. What he's doing now at Tennessee shows he's learned though from where things were heading south here. He was also handcuffed on the defensive side because our AD hired Randy Shannon independently of Heupel because he wanted a splash after we lose Frost. So our team ran like 2 separate teams.

    Looks like the war on I-4 may return

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    16 minutes ago, GoBulls84 said:

    Eh, I think there's some merit to the idea that Heupel failed at recruiting locally (hence why Timmy ended up here and ended up running back to UCF when Gus was there). Also, he definitely was at least a minor step back from Scott Frost.

    All that said, I'm not sold on Gus achieving more than inconsistent success (as he did at Auburn).

    Gus right now is doing exactly how he did at Auburn. Great recruiter, good defense, stale offense and QB development, high floor, but also doesn't reach much higher above that. Never had a losing season at Auburn but had mostly underwhelming seasons but then would have one great season to cool the hot seat before going back 8 win territory. I don't see him as the one to take us to the greatest heights but he's exactly what we need for building up our foundations as we step into P5 competition. 

    Looks like the war on I-4 may return

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    34 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

    I guess the bottom line from what I can tell is that UCF took a step back since Heupel left for Tenn. Basically it was Frost & Heupel that got UCF into the big 12. Gus pretty much rode the momentum but now it seems is bringing UCF back down when you look at last season. I do believe they will finish near the basement in big 12 this season. So the comparison to Saban is comical which is why the tweet is being laughed at 

    I'm taking the troll bait damnit lol but that's not at all true. Except for the Saban tweet. That's dumb fan talk lol.

     

    UCF under Heupel was slipping every year. Went from 12-1 to 10-3 to 6-4. He whiffed on a lot of local kids and our fans dogged him for that. Kept going for project OL dudes from Germany. Heupel was able to fix some of his recruiting shortcomings he had here but being at Tennessee also helps. Gus has elevated recruiting and we're having to play catch up for some of the holes left by Heupel. 

    Pre season polls have as mid pack, between 6 and 9 (nice) depending on the poll. Almost unanimously agreed that we look the best equipped for a solid first season of the 4 new teams. At least on paper. Still pretty early but right now we've also been recruiting the best of the 4 new teams. 

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    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    5 hours ago, Bull Matrix said:

    I do believe they still will have a tie in to the Rose Bowl and that to me is priceless. Now if we would of he heard rumors that the Rose Bowl was discontinuing their relationship with the PAC 12 then I would be worried for them 

    That tie in will be gone for the most part. At least in the way it exists today. Once the CFP expands to 12, it'll be look like this:

     

    Round 1: 5-12 seeds playing at high seeds home stadium

    Round 2: 1-4 seeds plus 4 winners of round 1 playing in 4/6 of the NY6 bowl locations 

    Round 3: semi finals at the remaining 2 NY6 bowls

    Round 4: CFP final at bid location 

     

    I'm sure for round 2 they'll try schedule the locations based on what goes well with the match ups so there will be some PAC Rose bowl reunions. But that means it's no longer guaranteed to be PAC vs B1G during non semifinal hosting years like it is in the current 4 team CFP. The Rose bowl was fighting this but they had no leverage because all the other NY6 were on board. So if they sat out just because they really wanted PAC v B1G, they'd be excluding themselves from a highly ranked matchup and would've ended up with some like like the PAC 2/3 vs the B1G 3/4 instead of the champ v champ matchups of the past.

    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    21 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

    Yes exactly. I just can’t see two huge power conferences lasting long. TV money will dry up among all those mouths to feed. I remember when the WAC tried something like that and they eventually broke apart and we got to see the MWC be born from that disaster 

    There's definitely a size limit before it gets clunky but a large SEC and B1G are in a different universe than a 16 team WAC. 

    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    1 minute ago, belgianbull said:

    I don't know if they would wield that type of power. I think its more likely that you would see the playoff system go from 12 to 16, and where most if not all of the extra spots would go to the SEC and Big 10.

    If the TV partners want it, it'll shift that way. It's why the BCS and CFP favored 6/11 and 5/10 conferences. You'd think the other half would have equal power but they don't.

    Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

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    1 hour ago, Bull Matrix said:

    Good news is that P2 can’t take all of the top 6 rated conference champion spots starting in 2024. However we may see that P2 break apart and form multiple conferences to be able to take those 6 top conference spots lol

    The P2 are not likely to break up. If they do, it'll be to kick out the dregs so that conference consisting of the dregs will definitely not be a threat for one of the 6 champ spots. What's more likely to happen in imo is that the P2 will push to reduce the number of slots for conference champs down from 6 to 4 or less, freeing up more at large spots for them.

    Nothing but truth from the Times- How UCF left USF in the dust

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    9 hours ago, Bull Matrix said:

    Probably in too much debt over the lazy river and exit fees… 

    I can never tell anymore when you're trolling or not lol but quite the opposite. UCF athletics is somewhat conservative with spending and tries not to over leverage for big debt projects. That's why we went with a rust bucket when we were just a young CUSA team with a tiny budget. We could have gambled that maybe we'd make the big time eventually and that the money would be there to cover something expensive, but it could have backfired. The debt service from our stadium is easily covered by the what our GameDay revenue brings in. Our exit fees are a drop in the bucket because of how the payment timeline the AAC agreed to stretches out. I believe the base $10M is over 3 or 4 years and the $8M extra for leaving early is over like 10 years or more after that. Also the lazy river hasn't caused us any debt because we're only using donations for it. This tourism tax money we applied for is because we *don't* go into heavy debt and want to continue to operate that way. 

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