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48 minutes ago, Mike Stuben said:

By the way, the SEC, which is an extreme longshot, would be a scenario like this:

ACC shatters. Big 10 takes FSU and Miami. 

Big 12 looking at USF, and SEC takes USF to block Big 12, as they don't want to be behind both Big 12 and Big 10 in Florida. 

That is the most unlikely scenario, but the chances are greater than 0%. 

Eh. The SEC doesn't need to do any of that. You only block when it matters who gets to that school first. The Big 12 can't catch up to the SEC in any way so any existing Big 12 school and any prospective schools like USF would never be locked in forever just because the Big 12 came calling first. The SEC will always be able to pick anyone from the Big 12 if that's what they really wanted. 

Think TCU who got a Big East invite first. But then once the Big 12 decided they needed them, they were able to pluck them without problem because they were higher on the totem pole than the collapsing Big East.

8 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

Big Ten rumors for USF gaining some traction. ACC better act fast or miss out on USF…. 

Torello is taking up the mantle of being the USF Swaim/MHver3

2 hours ago, belgianbull said:

I would hope it is something we would consider. Lets say WSU, OSU, Boise State, UNLV, San Diego  State, Fresno State, Colorado State, USF, Tulane, Memphis, ECU,UTSA Navy, Army, and Air Force.  Not a bad conference in my opinion, both basketball and football. Loads better than our current situation, and would at the very least be Power 5 light.

Also I believe travel costs will be of set since I believe that Boise State, Air Force, and San Diego State will draw much better than Tulsa, Rice, North Texas and Charlotte.  And how much longer is flying to Boise compared to Tulsa? Also I imagine a road trip to Las Vegas will be much more fun than a road trip to Tulsa.  Be in the top 3 in this conference, and you are probably ranked. Win the conference and you are going to the playoffs

Also look at all the Mountain West teams that have been ranked in men's basketball. Many dropped out, but many are still NCAAT bubble teams

Don't see U Conn going though since they are happy in the Big East.

Personally I would love to see us in a new Pac.

The tricky part is that pulling only 6 MWC teams like in your proposed lineup is that it would cost the PAC $67.5M in penalty fees to the MWC if it takes exactly 6 team instead of 0 fees if it takes all 12. And then the 6 teams taken would also have to pay their own exit fees to the conference. 

Scheduling agreement includes steep penalties if Pac-12 poaches San Diego State, other Mountain West schools

WWW.SANDIEGOUNIONTRIBUNE.COM

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Oregon State and Washington State would face eight-figure penalties if...

This is why I can't see the new PAC being a mix of MWC and AAC. The PAC 2 are either trying to find a P4 home, or merging with the MWC and likely not including anyone else.

30 minutes ago, MMW said:

 

Do we have any interest in being in the Pac X?  If UCONN and USF join we are both prior BCS schools.  Might carry some weight.

 

I don't think it would make enough money to make the cross country trip worthwhile for USF and UConn. 

It also seems likely that if the PAC 2 are stuck as demoted G5 teams, they will only rebuild with the full MWC. The scheduling agreement makes it expensive for the PAC 2 to add only some MWC teams instead of all of them. And so if they're forced to take all 12, that puts the new PAC at 14 which is plenty big. No need to expand further.

6 minutes ago, GoBulls84 said:

SEC doesn't need FSU or Clemson insofar as they already have a presence in both Florida and South Carolina. I think the appeal for the SEC adding those teams would be to keep them out of the B1G's hands. And the Big 12 nerds may not want to hear it, but FSU isn't gonna go to the Big 12 so they can make the same money as UCF. That's why all the hubbub in the first place. They're either going to the SEC or B1G or finding a common ground with the ACC to boost revenue and stay long-term (the least likely option of the 3 at this point). 

FSU to the Big 12 would be absolute nightmare scenario for them. They'd have egg on their face. A Big 12 with FSU and maybe some others could theoretically get more money than the current ACC, but it would still be so far behind the SEC/B1G. Which is the cause of all the hoopla making them unhappy in the ACC. So they'd have to really turn up the spin machine to sell that move as a victory. Can't see it happening.

4 hours ago, Outlaw said:

Well according to the last statement from power 4 cfb committee being ranked in top12 as an independent does not give you a playoff spot.  So there are sec or b1g teams with stronger scheduled and same losses they will get in. The b1g and sec have positioned themselves  to control the cfb with espn.

I don't think that's correct. The most recent change they made was to require conferences to have at least 8 members in order for their conference champ to qualify for one of the 6 conference champ autobids and the 4 first round byes available only to conference champs. That was just to prevent the PAC 2 from trying to claim that the winner of their 2 team conference deserves one of those 6 spots.

But the remaining 6 spots are at large and there is no rule favoring teams in conferences versus independents. Notre Dame was involved in the decision making to expand the CFP from 4 to 12 and supported it knowing that they would only qualify as an at large. They've made the 2 team BCS and 4 team CFP as an independent, they'll have no issue making the 12 team CFP as an independent. Their president is one of the 11 members of the CFP governance board and their AD is on the CFP management board alongside the 10 conference commissioners. ND is in every way treated like a P5 team except for access to the first round byes. 

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2019/4/3/governance.aspx

15 minutes ago, Bear said:

The issue with relegation...

 

Would it only apply to Football? Or would it apply to the entire Athletics department? 

 

Because, a team can be great in football and garbage in basketball (and vice versa - e.g. UCONN). How do we weigh this?

 

 

In a hypothetical relegation setup, both ways could be considered but football only seems easier. Especially if the relegation only includes current D1 teams and doesn't mix in D2 or 3. P5, G5, and FCS are football only things. For all the other sports D1 is D1. So if I were the king of the NCAA, those other sports would be in regional leagues.

3 hours ago, BULLSHTR said:

The context is Swaim trying everything to make people think that the Big 12 is stronger than the ACC. spoiler: it's not.

While Swaim and some of the others like MHver3 definitely prop up the Big 12, that's not always the goal of their nonsense. It's mostly to get clicks and attention and make people think they're super special insiders with information on realignment when they've got message board connections at best.

2 hours ago, Bob Loblaw said:

Relegation is antithetical to the greed that drives US sports. Media companies here would never let it happen in any sport. 

Exactly. The big blue bloods won't sign up for it on the off chance that a few down years sends them out. The coat tail riders would absolutely find no value in this.

3 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Still think the wild card(s) there may be the 2 ex Pac teams ..... although not exactly sure how considering no P4 conference has brought them in up to this point. Maybe those 2 additions would make them more attractive for media outlets looking for Pacific Time Zone games.

To me, it's the same as how the Old Big East/AAC was booted from the BCS club when it became the CFP/P5 era. The AAC 1.0 once the dust settled was CUSA plus 3.5 legacy Big East teams. The legacy members give the conference enough juice to put it above the other have nots, but the leftovers (especially just 2) of a P5 conference don't have the cache to lift 12 legacy MWC members into power status. It'll definitely be a solid conference. The West Coast counterpart to AAC 1.0.

2 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Interesting. Obviously trying to fill a perceived west coast void left by the Pac, and it doesn't hurt that they could fold in OSU and WSU into the conference ....

They'll definitely make a strong case for best of the rest. But I can't see them being any more successful than Aresco and the P6 campaign in actually gaining power status.

1 hour ago, Rocky Style said:

They should buy low and sell high.  Also don't let FSU destroy you like USC.  They are enemies now.

I don't think it's in the greedy nature of any power conference to buy low. If Calford and SMU didn't have any new big markets to add to the ACCN, the ACC doesn't throw them a lifeline. They buy at the latest moment possible.

2 hours ago, Mike Stuben said:

Here is a question to ponder. 

Let's say that Texas and Oklahoma just announced they were leaving for the SEC. UCF, Houston and Cincny are all part of the AAC.

Today, the Big 12 decides it is going to add 4 schools, BYU plus 3 AAC schools. 

Who are the AAC schools selected?

I think it is us, C, plus either Cincy or Houston, meaning we move ahead of both Cincy and Houston and they fight it out for the last spot. 

Houston is tricky for me. They have the market, the Big Bucks donor, historic ties to the legacy SWC teams, outstanding basketball program, and past success in football. But we're hitting almost a decade now of a rollercoaster in football. Meh fan support in football, but they also benefit from being driving distance to the core of the conference so an easy road game for opposing fans. Supposed dislike of their big donor by other Big 12 schools and not wanting another team encroaching on their recruiting territory. In some ways the best fit profile wise of all 4 teams added in the first wave but also polarizing among the legacy members.

1 hour ago, John Lewis said:

FSU would have had everyone in a playoff scenario, so I don't think Liberty would have been that close to them, especially with it being a home game in Tallahassee.

The expanded playoff cannot get here soon enough.

They still had the QB situation though. If they're in the playoffs it's very possible that Tate Rodemaker doesn't transfer out like he did since he'd be the starter. 

But still, it would be more favorable to play a Tate Rodemaker (at best) led FSU team vs the Bo Nix Oregon team that clapped them. FSU's defense is vicious so I'd still pick FSU hands down, but without the same level of offense they're capable of with Travis it would give Liberty some glimmer of hope.

9 hours ago, Outlaw said:

Everyone  knew Oregon was going to rock them. Oregon coach is legit and they have so much more depth and talent. Liberty can't compete. So next year this would be your opening round playoff match up  .

If this were the first year of the expanded playoffs, Liberty would have had a more favorable matchup against QB-less FSU. Round 1 is the 5-8 seeds hosting the 9-12 seeds. Would have had:

12 Liberty at 5 FSU

11 Ole Miss at 6 UGA

10 Penn State at 7 Ohio State

9 Mizzou at 8 Oregon

18 minutes ago, Bullsaficianado said:

I think this is reasonable…winning out next year will be nearly impossible with having to travel to Tuscaloosa…but the 2025 ooc games are all not out of the realm of possibility.

And you also wouldn't need to win all of them. You win Boise and 1 of the 2 other and you're good. 

1 hour ago, Cat941 said:

Truth! FSU also working against the clock for new members gaining their voting rights.  SMU is the straw that broke the camel's back in the ACC.   Chuckles.  

Was headed here to post this. We all knew they voted against the new members but man, didn't realize how mad they were about it. Saw another detailed post outlining the FSU mentions that other conferences raided the PAC and AAC yet the 3 teams the ACC added were left behind by the other conferences. Ouch.

33 minutes ago, Bull Gooner said:

The ESPN article said they'd need to pay $120M to leave. Is this legal filing to find a loophole that would let them leave for nothing?

Two different costs, but both negotiable.

The $120M is just the conference exit fee. They'd have to pay an exit fee regardless of GOR. It's part of what members agree to. But this isn't what they're scared of, especially if they can negotiate it down a bit.

It's the GOR penalties. There's no prescribed fee to pay. But realistically you'd need both your current rights holders and the one trying to buy them to be on the same page (assuming they're different, like if they went to the B1G and Fox instead of SEC/ESPN). That's how Oklahoma and Texas were able to leave the Big 12 a year early. Everyone involved was open to negotiation and the networks swapped some content to make everyone happy.

FSU is trying to bypass the GOR negotiation though by just saying it shouldn't be legally bound to this. Which is probably the only way they can get out with a whole decade plus left on it, compared to UT/OU who could already see the light at the end.

14 hours ago, Cat941 said:

The four corners schools add inventory and markets and that's beneficial to the B12.  But are they brands?  I don't know.  Utah did win the PAC recently.  Arizona has BB.  And Prime at Colorado is sensational.  Not sure they're saviors though.  

Definitely not saviors. But realistic targets for the Big 12 to bolster the conference membership while weakening a competitor. There were extreme long shot dreams for Oregon or Washington but the 4 corners were the best fit geographically and actually attainable once the PAC was falling apart.

On 12/14/2023 at 9:01 AM, GoBulls84 said:

It didn't make sense for UConn for the same reasons that they left the AAC. They were on an island, playing teams that their core fanbase didn't care about in football or basketball. Granted, the Big 12's basketball is much better than the AAC, but they already play basketball in a pretty good Big East, and football is second fiddle there. They would've been an even bigger outlier in the Big 12 than they were in the AAC.

I agree on the reasons for it being an odd fit, but it wasn't UConn that killed it. The Big 12 did. Yormark was very much pushing for it because he's a NYC guy and wants to capitalize on the Big 12 branding itself as the best basketball conference, since football is impossible with the SEC and B1G miles ahead. But the Big 12 schools weren't as hot on the idea, for the same reasons you mentioned and historically bad football. Not just UConn but also the northeast in general. They were given serious consideration to be team #14 if only Colorado came over and the remaining 4 corners stayed to rebuild the PAC. But the dream scenario was always adding existing P5 teams from the PAC to further solidify the Big 12 within the P conferences. They got the 4 corners like they'd hoped so UConn wasn't needed anymore.

22 hours ago, Sellular1 said:

Which is the lot that they slice your tires in?

The AD lot lol but after hearing how you guys talk about your ADs, I'm starting to wonder if you didn't just pay some drunk UCF fan to do it 

4 minutes ago, Sk00b said:

Nice! Yea, I'm sure those massive stadiums are crazy to attend. Was just curious as he's been to a **** ton of stadiums.

I guess we need a new poll. Who has been to the most stadiums and what's your favorite. I really haven't been to many football so I'd have to go with Bristol .

I've been to UF and wasn't impressed. I though FSU was actually nicer but i also was in good seats and not sweltering.

I'm curious on results on a poll. Specifically on structure vs game day environment. Because for a lot of these stadiums from traditional powers, they have a large capacity and great crowds. But they're older and not as nice. At least in the general seating areas. The fancy box suites I'm sure get frequent updates over the years.

26 minutes ago, bull2saintleo said:

I was having banter with a commenter on Facebook about the parking situation and not having "more parking lots".  I assume this person has never been to other schools on game weekends.  You park and tailgate all over campus.  Yes, of course the closer parking lots will be donor based, but FAU, UCF, and FSU all have free parking lots too....and not just in the garages.  

I think people get confused and are used to sporting venues that are constructed in suburbs with a sea of parking lots right next to it. A stadium being built on a university campus can just reuse the lots and garages spread throughout campus. And you're right about the closer lots, that's how we do it. One right next to the stadium and the softball lot are premium. Then as you get further out it's cheaper. You even have free parking on the further end of campus if you don't mind the walk.

9 minutes ago, flsportsfan83 said:

I think the stadium looks cool as hell. 

Biggest disappointment is it appears there will not be much shade. As a Dolphins Season Ticket holder the shade we have at Hard Rock is a game changer. Worse part of Ray Jay is the heat. I would use some of the resources towards that.

Adding shade structures is apparently stupid expensive. SDSU nixed the shade canopies they wanted because estimates were $50-$100M for just that. Don't know what it would've cost y'all because that quote I'm sure has a California price increase plus it can change depending the exact design of the shade structures.

30 minutes ago, USF_Bullsharks said:

Imagine anyone thinking the ACC will vote to dissolve after watching the P12 actually implode. You think schools like Rutgers, Wake Forest, BC, Duke, NCSt, VaTech, GaTech, and Pitt think that's a good idea? There are three types of schools in the ACC, those with big enough brands to join a P2 (FSU, Clemson, UNC), those who are fringe hopefuls who would need to sell their soul for an invite ala SMU (Miami, VaTech, UVA, Louisville, NCSt, Duke, GaTech?), and those who do not really stand a chance at anything else ala WSU/OSU. 

The B12 went down this route and got a sweetheart media extension to let OUT out of the conference early. The P12 couldn't get a media deal, period. Why would anyone want to test the market right now? Each conference gets +$80MM starting next season from CFPlayoff tv contract. And the B12 doesn't even have a network...? What am I missing? That doesn't even include the buyout that would be owed to the ACC by any team who leaves, which is insurmountable. Amortizing $300MM will not be offset by an extra $15-30MM/year in SEC/B1G conference revenue. 

Highly doubt FSU/UNC/Clem get out of the ACC until the buyout is reasonable - might be another 5-8 years before then (coincidentally when the next round of negotiations begins with B1G/SEC tv partners). 

That's all we need to acknowledge. MHver3 is out here trying to drum up like and retweets by pumping out spicy lies lol