UCF_rustbucket

13 hours ago, Triple B said:

Found the perfect trophy for them .... just need to change the plaque.

On behalf of all UCF fans on the bullpen, I graciously accept this magnificent trophy proclaiming our #1 ranking in the Colley Matrix. I have just the spot for it next to where the Civil ConFLiCT trophy would go.

35 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Bowls games that don't matter are a crap shoot. Just consider this, did a team that was basically the same, improve that much in a year from getting blown out by something called Arkansas State to winning a "national championship"? There is no way both those Peach Bowl teams were on the same level emotionally and the Kanigits were definitely good enough to take advantage.

The answer to your question is a resounding yes. Of course the team improved that much. Talent wise? Probably not much. But the 2016 team was coming off a winless season and switching to spread option from running a pro style offense. With a freshman QB who was still learning the system and his teammates. An extra year of getting the playbook down and a freshman QB growing up are game changers. 

I don't think I'll change much perception about UCF in here (Which is fine with me because that's how rivalries work) but only the media blitz and banners are part of the national championship movement/troll. The Disney parade was probably a likely thing even without the self claimed national title. Can I guarantee that? No. But there's precedent because we had a Disney parade after winning the Fiesta Bowl, too. 

On 12/30/2017 at 4:07 PM, Bull Daly said:

How could they not?? USF should have been the team playing in Liberty Bowl, not Memphis. To me the bowl games are money grabbing fraud scheme. 

I agree on the money grabbing but Memphis to the Liberty Bowl made the most sense. They won the west and finished ranked in the final CFP poll so they're pretty much the #2 AAC and get the best non-NY6 slot our conference can get. The Liberty Bowl also capitalizes on butts in seats by picking the home team.

1 hour ago, George_Bullnard_Shaw said:

Losing to a P5 is bad and reinforces the divide in talent narrative the media likes to push but it's somewhat understandable. Losing to a CUSA and MW team just shatters the P6 narrative.

To the talking heads sure, but not to those who pay attention and realized that the MW runner up barely beat the AAC team that could be ranked somewhere between 4 and 6.

On 12/14/2017 at 12:51 PM, BrassBulls12 said:

I didn't watch either, but....

While the affects of the acceleration can be debated,  its still a stepping stone.  At the time that we made the jump the Big East was an AQ conference in the BCS. Those conferences had standards that had to be met. I can't really find much information on UCF decision making policies concerning conference selections, so I guess the question would be, did they stay in C-USA  by choice? or because there wasn't a better option. 

If you can find any links that show that they were choosing to stay in C-USA, I would genuinely like to read it. 

If we are being honest, after the creation of the power 5, we were regulated to their level and from all that I've read, we were trying  to be with the big boys. 

I personally see no benefit in staying in a smaller conference. you play to win the game, You win the game to win an NC. To me its the same as us wanting to be a power 5 team. 

It seems we are a package deal nowadays so we will see where it goes. 

I understand that I am attempting to split hairs, but to prove that we are better than them, I will attempt to split a wig. 

There's a few things you got wrong in previous posts and some that I think are wrong here but I'm not 100% because I don't fully know if in this second post you're saying what I think you're saying.

For the past posts, USF didn't zoom by UCF as much as you think they did. I would say 8 years is the true gap, the time between when you joined the Big East and when we joined the AAC. 

"Well yeah but we got the Big East in 8 years and it took UCF 30+ years of football to-" that's where I'll stop you. You gotta look at the big picture. Yeah it looks like a monumental lead but now when you consider that it shouldn't be just based on when the schools started playing football, but relative to the age of the school as well. UCF started playing football 13 years after it was founded as a school. Of course we went D3, we were a young and tiny school. USF started football in year 41. I guarantee you that we would have risen as quickly or USF just as slowly if we swapped when we started football. USF as a school in year 41 had more support, money, and athletic history than UCF in year 13. So of course they only spent 4 years in FCS and never had to go D3 or D2 like we did.

The second part relating to your post I quoted. I'm not sure if you're saying UCF chose to stay in CUSA when USF went to the Big East. If that's the case, we chose CUSA but not to stay. We weren't in CUSA. Since we moved up to FBS we were independent and then found a home for football in the MAC. But the opening in CUSA left behind USF and the other Big East bound teams provided a better conference that made more geographic sense than the MAC and we could put all our sports in there. This is where we were behind. We went MAC to CUSA while USF was going CUSA to Big East.

1 minute ago, theman123 said:

I actually saw a quote that he said UCF just wasn't the right fit, aka he wants a P5 job. Not necessarily just waiting on Oregon.

Pretty much this. He likely wanted to exhaust all desirable P5 landing spots first. But we can't afford to wait so I'm behind Danny Whites decision to move on.

Just now, Orlando Bull said:

Let's see him against that Auburn pass rush. When we got pressure or Memphis got pressure, he looked pretty below average and made very questionable decisions. 

Having said that, he's a sophomore I think, so, no reason to think he won't continue to improve. 

You may have overlooked it because Flowers put on a show, but even against you guys Milton still put up big numbers.

That being said, I'm not surprised if Auburn smashes us. Was hoping for Wisconsin instead.

2 minutes ago, Hueyhog20 said:

They’ll be good still. Our division still sucks. They won’t dominate games like they did this year though. 

I actually like this hire. Playbook shouldn't be too hard to adapt. But I also don't think we dominate. I think both our schools take a little step back but still are the front runners in the east. And maybe one of Cincy or Temple makes the jump to make it a 3 team race.

I'm actually a little surprised we haven't had a University of Florida Central shirt yet since so many people type out UFC when referring to UCF.

While we all know extensions don't really mean anything, I can't see it being Danny White. He just signed an extension November 22nd in what was probably an attempt to sway Frost or also give some relief to boosters and fans knowing that he'd still be here to hire our next coach.

1 hour ago, Gismo said:

I would love an on campus stadium. However, it won't solve our attendance or 'game atmospshere' issues.

Disagree with the second point, it's a world of difference. Being able to tailgate on campus and have students walk from their dorms is pretty awesome. I've had decent parking lot tailgates for MLS and bowl games at camping world but there's nothing like seeing Memory Mall and other parts of campus packed with people.

But you're right about attendance. An OCS is just a bandaid. It'll give you a boost because of that new wow factor but if the fans aren't genuinely interested and the team isn't winning, it'll go back to pre-OCS numbers.

The what now? Building code didn't say anything...

UCF fan here. I think you need an IPF first. Long term it really will help create the atmosphere you want if you get an OCS, but IPF and all the other facilities presented along with it are needed first. 

OCS will help boost attendance initially but as you guys showed in your Big East years, winning can bring people in even at RJS. It's a nice stadium. Get all your extra facilities first while you can still rent at a nice NFL stadium. Putting all the money into the OCS first would set your donors back a bit for the other stuff and you can't really rent out an IPF like you can rent a stadium.