UCF_rustbucket
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That's actually just a myth floating on Twitter and online forums from fans of teams that want it to be true. Adding new teams does not open up the GOR. The new teams just sign onto the existing terms. See the Big 12: once Texas and Oklahoma announced they were leaving, the Big 12 invited 4 new teams. That didn't let them out of the GOR early. We've now even reached the point where the 4 new teams have joined alongside Oklahoma and Texas, still didn't let them out early.
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It's a solid league. The problem is that the PAC needs teams in 2024, so any MWC adds will have to start with that $34M fee and try to negotiate it down. The AAC teams would have to pay at least the $18M we paid while giving the AAC significantly less notice. All of this to earn maybe $10M to $15M a year.
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Most likely the ACC. The PAC is too depleted to be worth a cross country membership.
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Baring any last minute surprises, OrWa leaving all but guarantees the AZ schools and Utah to the Big 12, leaving only a PAC 4. Stanford and Cal are ACC type schools, Oregon State and WSU? Not so much. Those are MWC schools.
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Football wise, the Big 12 got a meh batch. But Arizona first the basketball culture, Colorado is a founding Big 8/12 member, Utah and ASU fit the geography. Utah is great at football, the other 3 not so much but Arizona and Colorado show positive recruiting signs. But it's more about the message in destabilizing your competition and securing your place as a P5(4?).
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I don't think it'll stop GORs from being signed altogether, but just none with the crazy length that the ACC went for. All the deals done recently (and their corresponding GOR) are in the 5-6 year range.
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I'm being told now that each conference commissioner will be allowed to pick 2 names out of a hat and invite those schools.
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The Texas/OK/KS corridor is one UCF would already have to travel to in the AAC. Adding 3 trips (BYU, AZ, CU) that are an hour to an hour and a half longer isn't back breaking. Especially since some of the smaller sports do a meet at a single location and not road/home games everywhere. Your buddy's son had all that travel but we're not comparing student athletes vs regular students, we're comparing the travel schedule in the AAC vs the Big 12. Again, the AAC is already spread out and has half the conference in the same part of the country that the Big 12 does. So not a lot changes.
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The rumblings are strong this morning that the PAC is making one final united push. ASU doesn't want to go to the Big 12 so either both stay, or there's a real chance they split and Arizona goes it alone and the Big 12 stops at 14.
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We've been in all sports leagues since 2005, so yes we actually did go to Texas and Oklahoma and even Kansas with Wichita State for the smaller sports. Let's not exaggerate. Going to Colorado or Arizona isn't going to take that much more time than the western and northern fringes of the AAC since we're already in the southeastern most state.
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I can't speak for UCF, but to me it's not a huge deal because we've been going as far as Texas and Oklahoma for about 20 years with a fraction of the conference revenue and prestige. The only time we've likely had close trips was before we joined football playing conferences and had our non football sports in places like the Atlantic Sun. As an FBS school we've always been far from everyone else. Before the AAC and USF, I think UAB was our closest geographic opponent.
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Sucks for them. Over a hundred years of either the PAC or it's predecessor the PCC. But thems the breaks. Got to ride along for a good while. The bottom tier teams in the B1G and SEC are good for a while but not forever.
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This is definitely the best path. Because an ACC PAC merger means they're already insulated for future losses and won't need to add G5 later on. Still don't think you get your shot until the early 2030s, but I can't imagine anyone besides UConn being right at the top of their list.
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Ancient history I should have said Lmao old money SWC dreams. Even though they haven't won a thing since the death penalty.
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SMU does. They're accepting the situation now but were pretty entitled thinking they deserved a spot purely due to history.
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I'm still not convinced they have an actual way out. This feels like a bluff. We'll see come August 15 but they seem full of hot air and just want to make noise.
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5 x 20 is too clunky to work. The G5 conferences can't get bloated the same way the P5 can, especially if they're also geographically stretched. It was one of the reasons the 16 team WAC collapsed and the MWC core broke away.
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First of all, how dare you
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The problem with this is that it depends how the PAC content is sold. For MLS, it's a standalone subscription not included with the base Apple TV. Those that do have Apple TV base package can get MLS at a discount, but it's still an extra. So a new PAC package would start from scratch just like the MLS one, which supposedly has a little over a million subscribers per one report.
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I also believe some variation of this, but with the P2 shedding some of the moochers in each conference.
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4 star safety commits to USF!!
UCF_rustbucket replied to bulloni's topic in USF South Florida Bulls Athletics
All these are important and part of the formula, but recruiting is also relationship building. CAG and staff are hitting that mark in a way that CJS just didn't. It was seriously a bad look at CJS slow rolled the urgency to hit the recruiting trail once hired and instead took his sweet time at Clemson. -
Exactly right. Even in our time in the AAC we had you guys right nearby but beyond that, our closest opponents were Tulane, Memphis, and ECU. Those are all closer than any Big 12 conference mates but not by a lot lol
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Great points Cubanbull. I'll add to this that the difference between a USF team that has struggled recently vs a Colorado team that's struggled recently is the big picture strategy in being able to damage a fellow P5 conference contending for the #3 spot.
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While McMurphy mentioned several G5, there's some scuttlebutt that really only UConn is being considered because Yormark loves them and wants to have a NYC presence of some sort. A few writers have noted that it's either another PAC team for 14, UConn for 14 if none bite, or potentially 3 PAC teams to get to 16.
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100%. At best, I can more or less say we're looking good for this next decade ish period but then once the next TV contract round starts, nothing is guaranteed lol
