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I don't care how ridiculous it might seem... 

USF should pitch to the B1G.

(Just no SMU-like deals)

The IPF looks great! 

However, the grass field looks like my front yard... We need some rain!

19 minutes ago, USFBulls12 said:

All he said was that they did it the right way. That’s objectively true. That’s nothing to shame him for, he’s allowed to point out factual information. That fact is why UCF was invited to the Big 12 and USF treaded water for more than a decade. Just accept it, we were bested by Central Florida in football program development. 

I dont' disagree...

But, I won't root for his statue.

2 hours ago, Outlaw said:

You thought I was being serious. Anyone who knows the history between USF Football and Gemshaft know she doesn't deserve  a statue to honor her at the OCS. Now build one for Jim Leavitt in spite of Judy, so everyone knows when they enter the stadium the godfather of USF is watching.

I would be for this, until he went to a ucf game and tweeted about USF.

Didn't Colorado just lose 6 guys to the portal today!?

10 minutes ago, Brad said:

 

After watching this video, I just received a UCF diploma for a B.A. in Hospitality. 

8 hours ago, jmbull said:

I’m just gonna mentally prepare to be skipped. We had our chance and blew it. Sometimes you only get one opportunity. We got 2. Couldn’t do **** with it. Now we get to see ucf getting to play an awesome schedule every week. We get to see them get 4 and 5 star recruits. I know some of you refuse to see it. But I just don’t see us every catching up to them anymore. 

While this very well could be true!

However, remember how we got to where we were the first time. USF carries a lot of potential. The right people are in place, and doing the right things (for the most part). 

Believe it or not, with the looming P2 AND major uncertainty with NIL & transfer portal... The Big12 is NOT safe either. Any top Big12 performer will get gobbled up by the P2 and who knows how that will impact their media deal?

What I want USF to do now... is be more aggressive in taking over the Tampa Bay media market. How can we get businesses (and our newspaper) to buy back in? 
 

On 4/8/2024 at 6:13 PM, flsportsfan83 said:

Well basketball was fun for a season. Ugh.

man, this is starting to feel like 2016 USF football... The difference is, we still had the talent in 2017. 

On 4/7/2024 at 12:12 AM, Outlaw said:

I predict SC would be better in the SEC then FSU and Clemson.  They are used to it. After a year or two they would probably be about the same. The new SEC +FSU/Clemson would be a gauntlet. I am just not sure if the SEc really needs Fsu or Clemson.

They don't need them, but if the SEC takes FSU & Clemson... 

They prevent the B1G from tapping into the southern markets. Why let the B1G expand right into Florida? It doesn't seem like they are clamoring for Miami (which they should) or USF (which is my dream). 

I can't wait to see the REAL renderings when they are released sometime this month!?

I am also excited about the football center, as well! 

 

USF facilities are going to be legit! 

2 hours ago, Gat-Rat Bull said:

I guess the last paragraph is the kind of positive spin we can get behind?

"Also, like UNLV, consider it a positive that the school isn't amazing at both sports. It was solid last year, but it's not like bringing in, say, UConn or San Diego State on the hoops side - remember, member schools don't want to sign on for nasty games."

Man, if only the Tampa Bay Times could spin for USF like this

10 hours ago, Cat941 said:

The lawsuits that we hear about are much more damaging to the P5 conference members I believe.  But as they have the revenue streams to payout if needed (and we don't), I'm uncertain where their risk level is versus ours for damage from retro pay-for-play.  

The article has quotes from WVU and Syracuse administrators. They're concerned.  Still, they've never been relegated to G5 status.  Hard to sympathize.

I mean, they went from being 'P5' to being 'non-P2' (G7?)

2 hours ago, Triple B said:

Received this afternoon. 
 

Oh great! I just got this in my email too. 

I didn't want to make it political... 

but, FSU admin seems like they have the financial sense of a 17 year old teenager.

4 hours ago, MMW said:

Yea, they are not making the best decisions at that age and don't understand ROI or interest rates.  It is a total scam.  I have kids in college and they are oblivious - which is what their old man is for.  

Totally understand!

7 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I find it to he the same as people that demand their student debt be erased. You were given a contract and signed it. You knew the terms and signed it. If their ad and legal teams were not smart enough to read it the buy out then that is on then. You can't sign a contract and expect everyone to cater to you because you don't like it years down  the road. I'm just waiting for the happy power teams to start using the language the gor contracts is predatory and unfair.

For real! 

But I can understand those students... they were probably 17/18 when they made these financial decisions (without legal representation or guidance).

However, a whole university!? 

10 minutes ago, MMW said:

But we are not leaving the AAC without a league ready to accept us which seems like the case.  It feels like there is bad blood.

Same response, they don't have offers so it feels more like they just want out.  Also, the bolded section I could not agree more. 

 

Are they on the cusp now of getting that kind of money from a league?

This feels like someone wanting to quit their job.  I always tell people to have a job lined up before quiting - unless you really really hate their job and it is affecting their health or something.

FSU is quiting without a job lined up as far as I can tell.  They are a great candidate but it hurts their negotiating power.

 

I don't understand the lawsuit with the ACC...

It's a GoR that you signed. But, I guess it's a quicker way for a solution to "more money".

I wish FSU (and Clemson) sued the CFP or NCAA, actually. 

3 hours ago, UCF_rustbucket said:

I don't think the question was about actual viewers but rather what do the media and distribution partners count as the teams respective markets for carriage fees of a conference network on cable customers. It's why the B1G took Maryland and Rutgers. Not because those two teams have expansive fan bases they were hoping to draw in, but rather the fact that they are in the DC and NYC markets respectively means the B1G could add 2 new large markets and the carriage fees for all those customers. Regardless how many actually watch or care about B1G sports.

If ESPN and their cable partners count FL as one whole marker, then USF won't add anything new. But if the Miami and Tampa markets and customers are counted separately, then yes. I'm leaning towards the latter but don't know for sure.

I believe you are correct. The Tampa market was somewhat in FSU's territory. 

If FSU were to leave; the ACC loses all of Central/North Florida (which Miami did NOT carry). 

USF absolutely can fill that area (especially becausue the B12 is encroaching with central).

1 minute ago, TallyBull said:

Miami is just one vote and I'm not sure it has much political pull with the ACC's other members. In fact, if Miami did make a stink about it, I could see the other ACC members voting to add USF just to spite them. It was a bigger stretch for the ACC to invite Cal, Stanford, and SMU to the ACC - which FSU opposed as much as I'd expect Miami to oppose USF, if not more so - and we see how that vote went. The ACC could lock down the two largest media markets in Florida, at a time when keeping as strong a media deal as possible is key. USF is the logical add and I'd expect Miami to go along with it once it realizes it doesn't have the votes to keep USF out.

Then this is good news! 

Especially with our AD's ACC connections.

2 hours ago, michibull said:

The only hang up for us is if the ACC wants western partnered for Cal/Stanford, then OSU/WSU/SDSU become real threats to us. 

The biggest threat may actually be Miami.

They do NOT want to be in a league with us. If they can't get out of the ACC (then they would not vote to allow us in).

It's how we feel about FAU. 

18 minutes ago, goingbackbull said:

Duke is NEVER going to the Big 12

Even if they wanted to go... Could they afford this giant GoR that FSU (and Clemson) are fighting?

26 minutes ago, flsportsfan83 said:

I like if you win today and tomorrow you have a shot, but not a good one. Alot of teams that are locks have failed to advance in their tournaments and there will be AQ bid stealers. 

Wait, so if we win today and tomorrow... And let's just say that we lost the championship game by a point or two... (or even a buzzer beater loss); there is still a chance that we wouldn't be a lock for the NCAAT?

5 hours ago, Rocky Style said:

CFB needs a salary cap pretty bad.  

Even before NIL, I wanted CFB to have salary caps on head coaches. 

Especially, since most of them are technically employed by state-funded instiutions. 

This would have prevented the P5 from grabbing head coaches after a successful season (I was salty when we lost Taggart to Oregon). 

42 minutes ago, Peatearpan said:

The only thing I see them jumping for is Pitt for the WVU rivalry.

After that, it’s a crap shoot. NC State possibly? Is Ga Tech successful in basketball? Syracuse has had success in the past, but now? Wake Forest too, a little recent success in football.

I feel like both the ACC and the B12 have reasons for raiding each other, to help pad out the isolated schools for less travel. They have a reason for wanting to raid each other first before going G5, of course.

It is like a game of chicken though, and it all depends on who and how many are poached by the P2.

i do like the idea of Pro-rel though. I wish that would gain more traction.

How funny would it be, when FBS ends up with a P5 again. 

Imagine: P2 revenue dips (because of their exlcusionary money grabs); the ACC collapses like the Pac-12; so the remaining ACC teams basically merge with the AAC (similar to the Pac-2 scheduling with the regional MWC) because the SEC/B1G snatched up a couple good ones. 

However, networks realize that regional games actually bring TRUE fans (and make non-football sports manageable). 

And then, by sheer lawsuits, NIL (or even unionization), regional travel, and non-athletic booster money (or some political influence) -- the P5 is now: Big10, SEC, Big12, ACC+AAC, and Pac-2 + MWC. Media deals are renegotiated (with the Big12; ACC+AAC; and Pac-2+MWC have nearly the same revenue?

So anyways, this is my worse case scenario if USF doesn't get called up within the next 3-5 years. 

I mean, Memphis and SMU are out... 

USF, if they focus, can win it all. We just can't sleep on any team. 

 

And it's very likely that FAU will be the team to beat.