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16 minutes ago, USF_Bullsharks said:

FWIW - SDSU's athletics revenue jumped nearly 64% after opening their OCS. From ~$66MM in 21/22 to $104MM in 22/23. This also coincides with their NCAAB tourney run, so that helped tremendously.  USF's athletics revenue for '23 was almost $71MM. With the return of the football/basketball programs to relevance, we can expect this revenue to increase a bit (hopefully more than a bit) over the next couple years (*crosses fingers*). Using a similar, but slightly lower multiple of 50% increase in revenue, on a guesstimate of $75MM in revenue for '25/26, is it out of the realm of possibility to say we can realize $110MM in athletics revenue come '27/28? That's with a standardized conference distribution of ~$8MM. This revenue would put us in the same ballpark as schools like Iowa St., Miss. St., Texas Tech, Rutgers, Maryland, GaTech, WVU, OkSt, UCLA, NCSt, Kansas St. and others. Add in a conference distribution of $40MM like those schools have and that would increase our revenue an additional ~$30MM to the $140MM range, in the same ballpark as schools like Mizzou, USCe, Minnesota, Ole Miss.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

https://www.sportico.com/business/commerce/2023/college-sports-finances-database-intercollegiate-1234646029/

These next few years for USF athletics are so important. 

Now more than ever I think USF's upside is insane.  TV Market, OCS, AAU, surging revenue generatng programs, facilities, recruiting.

If we were invitied to a more prominent league I think things would be next level.  Imagine having B12 or ACC coming on campus to play week in and out.  What that would do to recruiting and ticket sales would be insane.  

With the ACC we would also be rubbing acadmic shoulders with the likes of Standford, Cal, Duke, GT etc.  

I also think we would fair well against those teams.

20 minutes ago, Gat-Rat Bull said:

3 hours ago, Rocky Style said:

Yeah.  In an unrelated note we have heard that they want to make a play into the south and there is an AAU school with a large TV market there.  Hmm  

There has been some poo pooing around here by some poster over AAU status.  It will not get us into the B10 but we would show up on lists as potential candidates they could consider.  Not bad recognition.

4 hours ago, Peatearpan said:

Just in time for the sequel. Also, can you believe this is the same woman that ended up playing the mom in Modern Family?

Claire was pretty sexy.

2 minutes ago, belgianbull said:

I am doing my bi weekly checking this thread for updates. So are we in??

The ACC was so two weeks ago. We have moved on to the B10

4 hours ago, Rocky Style said:

Fine I'll settle for Big Ten

When the Powerball is up to a billion I might run in and put a couple of $ down.  It is a fun game where I get to fantasize about what it would be like to win that much money.

In that light, indulge me on what getting into the B10 would do for this program. 

6 hours ago, Cat941 said:

You are not going anywhere.  We are all in this together.

6 hours ago, Bull Matrix said:

You pick up South Florida to secure them from the Big 10 for ESPN

Huh?!?!?

1 hour ago, 79 Bull said:

I really hope the Claw redevelopment is for a "USF Main Street" with shops, bars, movies and food joints for the students.  Easy walk over Fletcher on a new pedestrian bridge (hopefully not the FIU contractor) to a safe and lively area that students would want to hang at.  I've said before, other than Greenery and that area at one time, USF has really had no college town environment for students. 

 

This is the first I am hearing of this but it would be awesome. 

The Claw is rarely used and maybe USF Golf could make a deal with the Tampa Palms Country Club to use their course.  It is right next door.

13 minutes ago, MaltLiquorBull said:

I want to believe that.  Probably no such thing as a guarantee.  My guess is the big 12 cited that as a reason for not calling us up last time.  Still a gamble, but it worked for the city of st. Pete way back when they built a baseball stadium without a team. USF is too great of a university to not have an on campus stadium, though.  The stadium + AAU is huge game changer for our university.

This is how I've always felt. I actually live near USF and I hate driving to Ray Jay.  It's a great stadium, no doubt, but it's a professional stadium dedicated to the bucs and we are guests there.

26 minutes ago, ahoyboy said:

It would be quite a shock if arrangements were made to build the stadium without complete confidence in a “move up.” 

I can't imagine there are any guarantees in this environment.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were told not having a stadium hurt their chances.

38 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

Exactly, basically they are chasing the money of the SEC/Big Ten imo. ACC has been good to both FSU & Clemson imo. I hope they leave ASAP as that opens up a spot for USF. 

This is hubris on their part.  I get it, I am sure they have gotten it into their heads they would dominate in any league but there is no denying they have had an easier path.  

33 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

With the rumors swirling around of the ACC raiding the big 12 it will be interesting to see if USF holds out for the ACC…

Who would likely be a ACC candidate from the B12?

26 minutes ago, UCF_rustbucket said:

OSU hopium lol Oregon State and Wazzu aren't a cultural fit with the ACC. Why go for 2 rural Pacific NW schools when you have plenty of eastern, urban, strong academic schools like USF and UConn available. Heck, I'd even take Memphis over those 2 because they're not really worthy of growing the western wing of the ACC.

Is cultural fit still a thing these days?

To answer my own question I guess I can see a common profile in the leagues.  How does USF stack up academically against Washington State and Oregon State?  (or UCONN for that matter)

14 minutes ago, USF_Bullsharks said:

I don't like these twitter personalities anymore than the next guy, but this sounds more insider than speculative, so I'll share. Read thread - 

 

What did he have to say?

3 hours ago, Jim Johnson said:

This is evident just looking at basketball... the fourth- and fifth- year players on a team like Oakland manhandled the more talented, but significantly younger, players at Kentucky.  Sure, the talent difference was remarkable... but when the game gets more phyiscal, that difference can be mitigated.

A lot of people like to compare the top college teams with bottom NFL teams... "Alabama could beat ..." this year it's U Conn could beat some NBA teams.  No.  No they could not... 18-22 year olds could not beat teams that are just as talented but 8 to 10 years older, stronger, and more experienced.

Consider how many rookies go from college to starting their first game and succeed.  For every CJ Stroud there's plenty of Ryan Leafs... and there is even more disparity for the late rounders.

It would still be fun to watch

53 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

If they are an adult and at college they should know how to read a contract.  Sadly we don't teach financial literacy as much as we should in k-12 school. I know yh3 current governor of Florida  added it as a mandotry class in high school.If they are 17, then I am not sure if they can even sign for  student loan. 

18 is really young. Their judgment is not where it needs to be to make certain decisions. I don't know if you recall the dumb things you did at 18, but I do.

And it's really not a question of education or a class on financial literacy. It's a judgment call, they lack the wisdom.

Add to that, there are a lot of scammers and universities that will take your money and give you a useless degree.  It's a feeding frenzy.

When I was in the army there were all these rent to own places and used car lots that would lock these unprepared 18-year-olds into upside down loans on cars and furniture. The interest rates could be as high as 25% 

2 minutes ago, Bear said:

But I can understand those students... they were probably 17/18 when they made these financial decisions (without legal representation or guidance).

 

Yea, they are not making the best decisions at that age and don't understand ROI or interest rates.  It is a total scam.  I have kids in college and they are oblivious - which is what their old man is for.  

14 minutes ago, belgianbull said:

I think its the same reason why we want out of the AAC, its the human desire to improve ones situation. The ACC is clearly a step down compared to the Big 10 and SEC. 

But we are not leaving the AAC without a league ready to accept us which seems like the case.  It feels like there is bad blood.

14 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Great question.  I think it is they are not getting paid as much as the sec and b1g and want that contract . I find it ironic all these power programs had no problem creating unfair financial advantages versus g5 but want to scream publicly when they are getting a financial disadvantage against the power2. Rules for thee, but not for me. Hopefully it all comes crashing down and there is some form of regulation and  more fair rules for everyone in fbs football. I honestly think the best move would be the b12/acc merger, but it won't happen. 

Same response, they don't have offers so it feels more like they just want out.  Also, the bolded section I could not agree more. 

14 minutes ago, Jim Johnson said:

As @Outlaw said ... it's all about the Benjamins.

An extra $40-50 million per year means being competitive across the board.  FSU sees a day when their baseball ... girls soccer... and other sports (not to mention football) are among those left behind in their respective sports.

 

Are they on the cusp now of getting that kind of money from a league?

This feels like someone wanting to quit their job.  I always tell people to have a job lined up before quiting - unless you really really hate their job and it is affecting their health or something.

FSU is quiting without a job lined up as far as I can tell.  They are a great candidate but it hurts their negotiating power.

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

After the payout fees would they even be making enough money to make.up.the difference from acc to b12 after the gor buyout? They would still be the only two true blood programs with any championships in the last 25 years in football in the conference.  They would leave the acc which has 3 with the U.

 

Fair enough.  So why does FSU and Clemson hate being in the ACC so much?  Aside from this year they had pretty reasonable access to the championship game.

23 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Why would they take less money after whining publicly for months?

Maybe they can help secure a better deal for the conference with the new additions?  Clemson and FSU make a pretty decent swap for Oklahoma and Texas.  

1 hour ago, Peatearpan said:

Agreed. The man was full of hot takes, but 61 years old seems terribly young to be in hospice? What illness does he have?

I assume it is cancer but the illness has not been released.  If you are hospice that usually means you have less than 6 months to live.  

It is easy to get pissed at people but this is all just football.

14 minutes ago, BULLSHTR said:

Idk, Swaim specifically asked us all to not feel bad for him:

 

Guys, come on.  We can be better than that.

17 hours ago, Rocky Style said:

Alright I no longer feel bad about this guy being in hospice.  

What a horrible thing to say.