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Other people were able to overcome all of those things, CJS didn't. That they were able to and he wasn’t is because he failed and had he actually succeeded not a single person would have dismissed the success as being only because of the extenuating circumstances. The fair thing to do is to hold him accountable for his failings, which he acknowledges and is planning on improving going forward.

The thing you miss is that what is fair is to have expectations immediately and when people do not meet them it is often because of factors they actually control and not a laundry list of excuses that disappear when you actually have some form of success. CJS was expected to do better or marginally close to CCS in year 1 but he didn’t even come close to hitting that mark, if he does better we don’t have to worry about arguing about nuances because it will actually be tangible.

It is my belief that we only feel more impacted because we follow our team more closely, if we actually were impacted than every other team (we weren’t) then we are responsible for that and we should have clearly done things to be more in line with every other team.

I am just patiently waiting for the better but I’m not patient enough for that better to be longer than a college career.

I think that’s fair enough as long as we are considerably better in year three. There were much bigger expectations of CJS than 1 win going into last season and the never ending excuses as to why we shouldn’t be able to beat a single FBS team only presented themselves because he didn’t meet the barest of expectations. That people think you need every single person on your team to be someone you recruited before you can be expected to do marginally better than the person that got fired for performance is patently absurd. Improvement should be directionally correct and incremental or else it is simply hopes and dreams.

My only point is my original one that they felt they were not valued as the main renter of the stadium and wanted to resolve the issue not having a place to play during the renovations so they felt forced to build a stadium and did not do so because they felt doing so was in and of itself a great idea.

Except both of those lines are straight trajectories and show a starting point and endpoint going in opposite directions if that’s what was going on no one would debate an improvement if it went from 1 to 4 but that’s not what’s happening CJS has a starting point of 4 and went to 1 which on a graph wouldn’t look like improvement so much as returning back to the baseline

But if I didn’t add that little extra I wouldn’t have gotten to have this nice conversation with you and @chapelbull

True but ultimately in real estate at the end of the day you are what your square footage and location says that you are, just as we really are simply what are wins and conference says that we are.

Smart the correct answer I would have went with is that CWT only won 10 but that would also be flawed (and I would hope no one would notice) because CCS would have followed our greatest coach in program history who finished his career with a perfect record.

Sorry but most people in any other situation in life would not consider someone getting back to where they started as improvement.

Is it going to be more than CCS got fired for? If not then no by definition that’s not improvement. If you pay me to add an extra bedroom to your house are you going to consider me to have done so if my first step is to knock down all the rest of the bedrooms and then build you back to exactly where you started before you hired me?

Then why didn’t it work for CCS?

At least we have that going for us, too bad we didn’t manage to lose them all then imagine how successful CJS could have been. Also CWT’s last year was more successful than CCS’ first year.

If you can pretend getting pissed on is rain I suppose there is no harm in pretending our pile of an athletic program is a chocolate sundae.

I am unfortunately living in the present which is why I am not happy with our current situation where we just finished the worst season in team history and are heading into one that looks far more difficult than the season we just screwed the pooch on. To make matters worse we are already making excuses for what will be the third year and we can only bring in like 10 recruits next season. So the future I’m looking towards isn’t looking too bright either. If we are .500 in year three that’s not success and that’s not a good enough reason to have lost the vast majority of our games for two years. I hope to G-d that things are better than those pulling for CJS the hardest claim but if we win one game then at best 4 games to have it all pay off at year 3 going .500 everyone needs to be fired.

What’s your prediction for this season?

A team that’s hemorrhaging fans and had the likes of silver bull and cousinricky questioning their commitment needs to win a lot sooner than you think they do. Some programs can survive 6 years of failure but I would rather not have to find out if we are one of them.

You can say it as much as you like but it’s simply not true. A good portion of the starters returned including the starting QB which is not the same as CWT having 10 of the 22 starters return for him. Every single year every single coach loses players in college football and CJS’ was not exceptionally dire, we only pretend that around here because it’s more polite than the truth that he failed miserably.

So riddle me this, if it was impossible to have a successful year in your first year as the head coach in a Covid year how did 20 coaches manage to do better than CJS? CCS set the bar low and should have won more games than he did if not for his coaching and yet CJS wasn’t able to even get within a reasonable distance of that low bar. If Jeff Traylor could take UTSA from 4-8 to 7-5 in his first year what specifically was uniquely more difficult for CJS? Besides of course the results and the coaches. Somehow amazingly Alabama and Clemson ended up in the title game just as was expected at the start of the year, I think too much credit is given to Covid by those that failed then seems to have actually played a measurable difference in what would have happened on the field sans it. Excuses are everywhere you want to find them, strangely winners don’t waste a lot of time looking for them. I don’t mean in three years I mean immediately and I most certainly know the answer to that question.

Ford definitely liked mopeds, maybe that’s who we have to aim for 4 and 5* athletes that have suspended licenses or better yet no license at all!

Can we start a go fund me? Or maybe get a house member to slip a little amendment into the $1.9 Trillion Covid bill to slip us a few million? Can we buy something nice with that?

At this point if that’s what it takes to win I’m all for it, what do you think we could get for a Pinto, a few mopeds and a stack of bus passes?

I’m not saying that he can never be a good coach, he seems to have most of the necessary components and in a few years he may learn enough to move on which if he had been hired after CWT or CJL would have been peachy keen. That he followed CCS and the downward spiral that we were on and then told CCS to hold his beer why he managed to find rock bottom for our program is why he was a bad hire for the time. We needed someone that could do better than CCS not a person that has to find his way as he managed to be 1/4 as successful as with the hope that one day maybe he can meet expectations.

I’m well aware they are just obvious answers to the question (besides pretty close to everyone) of who could have done better. CJS had a disastrous first year which if not made obvious by his record should be made obvious by impartial rankings that have him pretty close to the worst first year of every other coach hired that same year. This isn’t because the world is out to get him or that he faced more obstacles than anyone else it is simply because he himself failed and as we aren’t really in a position to have years of failing while he figured out how to be a head coach he was a bad hire.