Much like you have a thing for Williams despite never seeing him play. True they didnt have the GG until 57, but read any article on Williams and it will say he was average (and thats being generous) at best in the field. Bonds is better on defense, a much greater speed threat and greater power threat than Williams. I would say that qualifies as better all around. You throw out the MVPs, the offensive records and attempt to belittle the importance of speed and defense. Why is that, is that because looking at those Williams is far behind Bonds? Maybe Williams was the better pure hitter, but better all around definetly goes to Bonds. And no my opinion will not change. I still have yet to read, see or hear any type of scientific proof that steriods help you hit a baseball. Plus I still find it funny that no one still makes any mentions of the use of creatine and ephedra that is rampant throughout the majors. These are all performance enhancers too. Legal, as opposed to illegal, but still performance enhancers that werent available to Ruth, Aaron, Williams, Mays, etc.....