He had 3 MVP's as a Pirate. Yeah I guess he sucked back then, HUH? The gold gloves, the 30-30 years, the 40-40 year, the nearly 500 HR's he had before '01. Before '01, he lead the NL in OBP 4 times, in SLG % 3 times, in OPS 5 times, in BB's 6 times and HR's once. Yeah, I guess he only got good once he was on roids ??? (which once again, we have no proof of, but what do you all care).